Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on YouTube.
If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer with
a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a time.
Pause the video at the point where you want to watch more closely.
The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key goes to the
next frame. You can try it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0
When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the car's
front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up, causing the
front of her car to swing rightward. While she was backing up,
she straightened the front wheels. When she rolled forward she
steered rightward, where she would go if she was trying to escape.
If she had wanted to hit the second ICE agent who was near the
front left corner of her car, she would have steered leftward.
Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and not consistent
with trying to harm the second ICE agent.
Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.
Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against people who are
capable of feeling shame. This does not seem to describe the people
in power in the US.
Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on YouTube.
If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer with
a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a time.
Pause the video at the point where you want to watch more closely.
The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key goes to the
next frame. You can try it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0
When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the car's
front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up, causing the
front of her car to swing rightward. While she was backing up,
she straightened the front wheels.
When she rolled forward she
steered rightward, where she would go if she was trying to escape.
If she had wanted to hit the second ICE agent who was near the
front left corner of her car, she would have steered leftward.
Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and not consistent
with trying to harm the second ICE agent.
Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.
Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against people who are
capable of feeling shame. This does not seem to describe the people
in power in the US.
David Canzi <dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> wrote in news:10jui15$2kkcv$1 >@paganini.bofh.team:
Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on YouTube.
If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer with
a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a time.
Pause the video at the point where you want to watch more closely.
The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key goes to the
next frame. You can try it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0
When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the car's
front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up, causing the
front of her car to swing rightward. While she was backing up,
she straightened the front wheels. When she rolled forward she
steered rightward, where she would go if she was trying to escape.
If she had wanted to hit the second ICE agent who was near the
front left corner of her car, she would have steered leftward.
Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and not consistent
with trying to harm the second ICE agent.
Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.
Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against people who are
capable of feeling shame. This does not seem to describe the people
in power in the US.
Any normal president would urge calm
and ask the public to wait until the facts
come out.
But not Trump. She wasn't even cold
yet before Trump was accusing her of being
a demostic terrorist, claiming she ran
over the officer, it was part of Democratic
plot. Just like with the Trump shooter in 2024,
when - opps, the perp turned out to be a
right wing lunatic.
Did Trump apologize for getting it wrong?
Of course not..................
On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 16:57:57 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id <10jui15$2kkcv$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on YouTube.
If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer with
a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a time.
Pause the video at the point where you want to watch more closely.
The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key goes to the
next frame. You can try it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0
When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the car's
front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up, causing the
front of her car to swing rightward. While she was backing up,
she straightened the front wheels.
No, she cut her wheels to swing the front end of her car to
the left. This brought her in line to hit the agent. She
was also ordered to get out of her car, not drive away.
David Canzi <dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> wrote in news:10jui15$2kkcv$1 @paganini.bofh.team:
Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on YouTube.
If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer with
a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a time.
Pause the video at the point where you want to watch more closely.
The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key goes to the
next frame. You can try it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0
When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the car's
front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up, causing the
front of her car to swing rightward. While she was backing up,
she straightened the front wheels. When she rolled forward she
steered rightward, where she would go if she was trying to escape.
If she had wanted to hit the second ICE agent who was near the
front left corner of her car, she would have steered leftward.
Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and not consistent
with trying to harm the second ICE agent.
Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.
Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against people who are
capable of feeling shame. This does not seem to describe the people
in power in the US.
Any normal president would urge calm
and ask the public to wait until the facts
come out.
But not Trump. She wasn't even cold
yet before Trump was accusing her of being
a demostic terrorist, claiming she ran
over the officer, it was part of Democratic
plot. Just like with the Trump shooter in 2024,
when - opps, the perp turned out to be a
right wing lunatic.
Did Trump apologize for getting it wrong?
Of course not..................
On 1/11/26 06:21, Attila wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 16:57:57 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10jui15$2kkcv$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on YouTube.
If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer with
a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a time.
Pause the video at the point where you want to watch more closely.
The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key goes to the
next frame. You can try it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0
When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the car's
front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up, causing the
front of her car to swing rightward. While she was backing up,
she straightened the front wheels.
No, she cut her wheels to swing the front end of her car to
the left. This brought her in line to hit the agent. She
was also ordered to get out of her car, not drive away.
People can watch the video for themselves and see that your description
of her handling of her car is not accurate.
On Sun, 11 Jan 2026 14:19:06 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id <10k0t3b$2u0f6$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
On 1/11/26 06:21, Attila wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 16:57:57 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10jui15$2kkcv$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on YouTube.
If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer with
a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a time.
Pause the video at the point where you want to watch more closely.
The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key goes to the
next frame. You can try it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0
When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the car's
front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up, causing the
front of her car to swing rightward. While she was backing up,
she straightened the front wheels.
No, she cut her wheels to swing the front end of her car to
the left. This brought her in line to hit the agent. She
was also ordered to get out of her car, not drive away.
People can watch the video for themselves and see that your description
of her handling of her car is not accurate.
It is accurate. She had been following the agents and
yelling at them, then blocked traffic with her car for at
least four minutes. Her girl friend was on her feet yelling
at the same time. She was clearly told to exit her car but
instead she tried to drive off, hitting an agent in the
process.
I see you ignored my questions,
In article <XnsB3D0D3E602932629555@185.151.15.190>,
noemail@aol.com says...
David Canzi <dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> wrote in news:10jui15$2kkcv$1
@paganini.bofh.team:
Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on YouTube.
If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer with
a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a time.
Pause the video at the point where you want to watch more closely.
The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key goes to the
next frame. You can try it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0
When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the car's
front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up, causing the
front of her car to swing rightward. While she was backing up,
she straightened the front wheels. When she rolled forward she
steered rightward, where she would go if she was trying to escape.
If she had wanted to hit the second ICE agent who was near the
front left corner of her car, she would have steered leftward.
Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and not consistent
with trying to harm the second ICE agent.
Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.
Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against people who are
capable of feeling shame. This does not seem to describe the people
in power in the US.
Any normal president would urge calm
and ask the public to wait until the facts
come out.
Unlike what the left tells their puppets?
But not Trump. She wasn't even cold
yet before Trump was accusing her of being
a demostic terrorist, claiming she ran
over the officer, it was part of Democratic
plot. Just like with the Trump shooter in 2024,
when - opps, the perp turned out to be a
right wing lunatic.
Did Trump apologize for getting it wrong?
Of course not..................
On 1/11/26 17:21, Attila wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jan 2026 14:19:06 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k0t3b$2u0f6$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
On 1/11/26 06:21, Attila wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 16:57:57 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10jui15$2kkcv$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on YouTube.
If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer with
a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a time.
Pause the video at the point where you want to watch more closely.
The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key goes to the
next frame. You can try it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0
When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the car's
front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up, causing the
front of her car to swing rightward. While she was backing up,
she straightened the front wheels.
No, she cut her wheels to swing the front end of her car to
the left. This brought her in line to hit the agent. She
was also ordered to get out of her car, not drive away.
People can watch the video for themselves and see that your description
of her handling of her car is not accurate.
It is accurate. She had been following the agents and
yelling at them, then blocked traffic with her car for at
least four minutes. Her girl friend was on her feet yelling
at the same time. She was clearly told to exit her car but
instead she tried to drive off, hitting an agent in the
process.
Nothing you said after "it is accurate" supports the accuracy of
your claim that "she cut her wheels to swing the front end of her
car to the left."
I see you ignored my questions,
The randomized signature that appeared at the bottom of my posting
said "life is too short to point out every mistake", so I decided
that addressing only the first thing you said that was wrong would
be enough.
On Sun, 11 Jan 2026 21:16:37 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id <10k1li5$34fsg$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
On 1/11/26 17:21, Attila wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jan 2026 14:19:06 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k0t3b$2u0f6$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
On 1/11/26 06:21, Attila wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 16:57:57 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10jui15$2kkcv$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on YouTube.
If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer with
a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a time.
Pause the video at the point where you want to watch more closely. >>>>>> The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key goes to the
next frame. You can try it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0
When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the car's >>>>>> front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up, causing the
front of her car to swing rightward. While she was backing up,
she straightened the front wheels.
No, she cut her wheels to swing the front end of her car to
the left. This brought her in line to hit the agent. She
was also ordered to get out of her car, not drive away.
People can watch the video for themselves and see that your description >>>> of her handling of her car is not accurate.
It is accurate. She had been following the agents and
yelling at them, then blocked traffic with her car for at
least four minutes. Her girl friend was on her feet yelling
at the same time. She was clearly told to exit her car but
instead she tried to drive off, hitting an agent in the
process.
Nothing you said after "it is accurate" supports the accuracy of
your claim that "she cut her wheels to swing the front end of her
car to the left."
I see you ignored my questions,
The randomized signature that appeared at the bottom of my posting
said "life is too short to point out every mistake", so I decided
that addressing only the first thing you said that was wrong would
be enough.
Lame.
I will wait and see what the official investigation yields.
Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on YouTube.
If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer with
a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a time.
Pause the video at the point where you want to watch more closely.
The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key goes to the
next frame. You can try it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0
When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the car's
front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up, causing the
front of her car to swing rightward. While she was backing up,
she straightened the front wheels. When she rolled forward she
steered rightward, where she would go if she was trying to escape.
If she had wanted to hit the second ICE agent who was near the
front left corner of her car, she would have steered leftward.
Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and not consistent
with trying to harm the second ICE agent.
Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.
Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against people who are
capable of feeling shame. This does not seem to describe the people
in power in the US.
On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 16:57:57 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id <10jui15$2kkcv$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on YouTube.
If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer with
a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a time.
Pause the video at the point where you want to watch more closely.
The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key goes to the
next frame. You can try it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0
When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the car's
front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up, causing the
front of her car to swing rightward. While she was backing up,
she straightened the front wheels. When she rolled forward she
steered rightward, where she would go if she was trying to escape.
If she had wanted to hit the second ICE agent who was near the
front left corner of her car, she would have steered leftward.
Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and not consistent
with trying to harm the second ICE agent.
Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.
Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against people who are
capable of feeling shame. This does not seem to describe the people
in power in the US.
I will continue to wait and see what the official findings
are.
Meanwhile you appear to be reluctant to address some of the
other items involved:
Do you think people who violate laws should be held
accountable?
On 1/13/26 07:28, Attila wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 16:57:57 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10jui15$2kkcv$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on YouTube.
If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer with
a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a time.
Pause the video at the point where you want to watch more closely.
The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key goes to the
next frame. You can try it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0
When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the car's
front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up, causing the
front of her car to swing rightward. While she was backing up,
she straightened the front wheels. When she rolled forward she
steered rightward, where she would go if she was trying to escape.
If she had wanted to hit the second ICE agent who was near the
front left corner of her car, she would have steered leftward.
Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and not consistent
with trying to harm the second ICE agent.
Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.
Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against people who are
capable of feeling shame. This does not seem to describe the people
in power in the US.
I will continue to wait and see what the official findings
are.
Meanwhile you appear to be reluctant to address some of the
other items involved:
The subject I wanted to talk about was the official lies of the lying >officials who talked about violent rioters (who are nowhere visible
in any of the videos) and calling Renee Good a domestic terrorist who
was weaponizing her car to kill ICE agents. My point is that the
motives imputed to her were not consistent with her observed behaviour.
You are trying to force a change of subject. Maybe you desperately
need to feel like you have "won" in some way, and you know you can't
win on the topic this thread was originally about.
I will answer just one question:
Do you think people who violate laws should be held
accountable?
Consequences should be proportional to the seriousness of the
offence.
On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 13:12:44 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id <10k61uv$3asms$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 1/13/26 07:28, Attila wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 16:57:57 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10jui15$2kkcv$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on YouTube.
If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer with
a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a time.
Pause the video at the point where you want to watch more closely.
The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key goes to the
next frame. You can try it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0
When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the car's
front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up, causing the
front of her car to swing rightward. While she was backing up,
she straightened the front wheels. When she rolled forward she
steered rightward, where she would go if she was trying to escape.
If she had wanted to hit the second ICE agent who was near the
front left corner of her car, she would have steered leftward.
Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and not consistent
with trying to harm the second ICE agent.
Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.
Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against people who are
capable of feeling shame. This does not seem to describe the people
in power in the US.
I will continue to wait and see what the official findings
are.
Meanwhile you appear to be reluctant to address some of the
other items involved:
The subject I wanted to talk about was the official lies of the lying
officials who talked about violent rioters (who are nowhere visible
in any of the videos) and calling Renee Good a domestic terrorist who
was weaponizing her car to kill ICE agents. My point is that the
motives imputed to her were not consistent with her observed behaviour.
We must be looking at different video because I see people
throwing frozen water bottles and rocks at ICE agents,
pushing them, blocking them at every opportunity, and doing
everything they can think of to prevent them from doing
their duty. They also tried to invade a hotel that night
because they thought ICE agents were staying there. Hotel
security stopped them.
On 1/13/26 15:21, Attila wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 13:12:44 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k61uv$3asms$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 1/13/26 07:28, Attila wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 16:57:57 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10jui15$2kkcv$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on YouTube.
If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer with
a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a time.
Pause the video at the point where you want to watch more closely.
The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key goes to the
next frame. You can try it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0
When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the car's
front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up, causing the
front of her car to swing rightward. While she was backing up,
she straightened the front wheels. When she rolled forward she
steered rightward, where she would go if she was trying to escape.
If she had wanted to hit the second ICE agent who was near the
front left corner of her car, she would have steered leftward.
Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and not consistent >>>>> with trying to harm the second ICE agent.
Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.
Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against people who are
capable of feeling shame. This does not seem to describe the people >>>>> in power in the US.
I will continue to wait and see what the official findings
are.
Meanwhile you appear to be reluctant to address some of the
other items involved:
The subject I wanted to talk about was the official lies of the lying
officials who talked about violent rioters (who are nowhere visible
in any of the videos) and calling Renee Good a domestic terrorist who
was weaponizing her car to kill ICE agents. My point is that the
motives imputed to her were not consistent with her observed behaviour.
We must be looking at different video because I see people
throwing frozen water bottles and rocks at ICE agents,
pushing them, blocking them at every opportunity, and doing
everything they can think of to prevent them from doing
their duty. They also tried to invade a hotel that night
because they thought ICE agents were staying there. Hotel
security stopped them.
The Trump administration issued this statement on the day of
the shooting:
| Today, ICE officers in Minneapolis were conducting targeted
| operations when rioters began blocking ICE officers and one of
| these violent rioters weaponized her vehicle, attempting to run
| over our law enforcement officers in an attempt ti kill them --
| an act of domestic terrorism.
|
| An ICE officer, fearing for his life, the lives of his fellow law
| enforcement and the safety of the public, fired defensive shots.
| He used his training and saved his own life and that of his fellow
| officers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNnVbXPCEDU&t=418s
They claimed a violent riot was going on at the time Renee Good was
shot. There was no riot visible in the videos of that time and
place.
They claimed that Jonathan Ross saved his life by shooting
her. He did not. They claim he saved the lives of other officers.
No other officers were even remotely endangered.
If the lying officials had managed to squeeze any more dishonesty
into that statement, it would have collapsed into a black hole.
On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 00:22:30 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id <10k796n$3ou7s$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
On 1/13/26 15:21, Attila wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 13:12:44 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k61uv$3asms$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 1/13/26 07:28, Attila wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 16:57:57 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10jui15$2kkcv$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on YouTube.
If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer with
a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a time.
Pause the video at the point where you want to watch more
closely. The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key
goes to the next frame. You can try it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0
When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the
car's front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up,
causing the front of her car to swing rightward. While she was
backing up, she straightened the front wheels. When she rolled
forward she steered rightward, where she would go if she was
trying to escape. If she had wanted to hit the second ICE agent
who was near the front left corner of her car, she would have
steered leftward.
Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and not
consistent with trying to harm the second ICE agent.
Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.
Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against people who are
capable of feeling shame. This does not seem to describe the
people in power in the US.
I will continue to wait and see what the official findings
are.
Meanwhile you appear to be reluctant to address some of the
other items involved:
The subject I wanted to talk about was the official lies of the
lying officials who talked about violent rioters (who are nowhere
visible in any of the videos) and calling Renee Good a domestic
terrorist who was weaponizing her car to kill ICE agents. My
point is that the motives imputed to her were not consistent with
her observed behaviour.
We must be looking at different video because I see people
throwing frozen water bottles and rocks at ICE agents,
pushing them, blocking them at every opportunity, and doing
everything they can think of to prevent them from doing
their duty. They also tried to invade a hotel that night
because they thought ICE agents were staying there. Hotel
security stopped them.
The Trump administration issued this statement on the day of
the shooting:
| Today, ICE officers in Minneapolis were conducting targeted
| operations when rioters began blocking ICE officers and one of
| these violent rioters weaponized her vehicle, attempting to run
| over our law enforcement officers in an attempt ti kill them --
| an act of domestic terrorism.
|
| An ICE officer, fearing for his life, the lives of his fellow law
| enforcement and the safety of the public, fired defensive shots.
| He used his training and saved his own life and that of his fellow
| officers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNnVbXPCEDU&t=418s
They claimed a violent riot was going on at the time Renee Good was
shot. There was no riot visible in the videos of that time and
place.
Not everywhere was shown on he video or were prior events
included.
They claimed that Jonathan Ross saved his life by shooting
her. He did not. They claim he saved the lives of other officers.
No other officers were even remotely endangered.
As I have previously states=d I will wait to see what the
final investigation result is.
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in >news:jevemk9o8rggjud82dhj543ahm79qqml6e@4ax.com:
On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 00:22:30 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k796n$3ou7s$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
On 1/13/26 15:21, Attila wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 13:12:44 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k61uv$3asms$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 1/13/26 07:28, Attila wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 16:57:57 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10jui15$2kkcv$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on YouTube.
If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer with >>>>>>> a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a time.
Pause the video at the point where you want to watch more
closely. The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key
goes to the next frame. You can try it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0
When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the
car's front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up,
causing the front of her car to swing rightward. While she was
backing up, she straightened the front wheels. When she rolled
forward she steered rightward, where she would go if she was
trying to escape. If she had wanted to hit the second ICE agent
who was near the front left corner of her car, she would have
steered leftward.
Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and not
consistent with trying to harm the second ICE agent.
Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.
Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against people who are >>>>>>> capable of feeling shame. This does not seem to describe the
people in power in the US.
I will continue to wait and see what the official findings
are.
Meanwhile you appear to be reluctant to address some of the
other items involved:
The subject I wanted to talk about was the official lies of the
lying officials who talked about violent rioters (who are nowhere
visible in any of the videos) and calling Renee Good a domestic
terrorist who was weaponizing her car to kill ICE agents. My
point is that the motives imputed to her were not consistent with
her observed behaviour.
We must be looking at different video because I see people
throwing frozen water bottles and rocks at ICE agents,
pushing them, blocking them at every opportunity, and doing
everything they can think of to prevent them from doing
their duty. They also tried to invade a hotel that night
because they thought ICE agents were staying there. Hotel
security stopped them.
The Trump administration issued this statement on the day of
the shooting:
| Today, ICE officers in Minneapolis were conducting targeted
| operations when rioters began blocking ICE officers and one of
| these violent rioters weaponized her vehicle, attempting to run
| over our law enforcement officers in an attempt ti kill them --
| an act of domestic terrorism.
|
| An ICE officer, fearing for his life, the lives of his fellow law
| enforcement and the safety of the public, fired defensive shots.
| He used his training and saved his own life and that of his fellow
| officers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNnVbXPCEDU&t=418s
They claimed a violent riot was going on at the time Renee Good was
shot. There was no riot visible in the videos of that time and
place.
Not everywhere was shown on he video or were prior events
included.
They claimed that Jonathan Ross saved his life by shooting
her. He did not. They claim he saved the lives of other officers.
No other officers were even remotely endangered.
As I have previously states=d I will wait to see what the
final investigation result is.
What investigation?
DOJ wonÆt investigate killing of Minneapolis woman shot by ICE
Jan. 13, 2026
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/01/13/no-basis-for-investigation-into-ice-shooting-of-minn-woman-doj/88035610007/
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 02:53:53 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <XnsB3D4D52847962629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in >>news:jevemk9o8rggjud82dhj543ahm79qqml6e@4ax.com:
On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 00:22:30 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k796n$3ou7s$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
On 1/13/26 15:21, Attila wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 13:12:44 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k61uv$3asms$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 1/13/26 07:28, Attila wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 16:57:57 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10jui15$2kkcv$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on YouTube. >>>>>>>> If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer
with a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a
time. Pause the video at the point where you want to watch more >>>>>>>> closely. The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key
goes to the next frame. You can try it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0
When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the
car's front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up,
causing the front of her car to swing rightward. While she was >>>>>>>> backing up, she straightened the front wheels. When she rolled >>>>>>>> forward she steered rightward, where she would go if she was
trying to escape. If she had wanted to hit the second ICE agent >>>>>>>> who was near the front left corner of her car, she would have
steered leftward.
Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and not
consistent with trying to harm the second ICE agent.
Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.
Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against people who
are capable of feeling shame. This does not seem to describe
the people in power in the US.
I will continue to wait and see what the official findings
are.
Meanwhile you appear to be reluctant to address some of the
other items involved:
The subject I wanted to talk about was the official lies of the
lying officials who talked about violent rioters (who are nowhere
visible in any of the videos) and calling Renee Good a domestic
terrorist who was weaponizing her car to kill ICE agents. My
point is that the motives imputed to her were not consistent with
her observed behaviour.
We must be looking at different video because I see people
throwing frozen water bottles and rocks at ICE agents,
pushing them, blocking them at every opportunity, and doing
everything they can think of to prevent them from doing
their duty. They also tried to invade a hotel that night
because they thought ICE agents were staying there. Hotel
security stopped them.
The Trump administration issued this statement on the day of
the shooting:
| Today, ICE officers in Minneapolis were conducting targeted
| operations when rioters began blocking ICE officers and one of
| these violent rioters weaponized her vehicle, attempting to run
| over our law enforcement officers in an attempt ti kill them --
| an act of domestic terrorism.
|
| An ICE officer, fearing for his life, the lives of his fellow law
| enforcement and the safety of the public, fired defensive shots.
| He used his training and saved his own life and that of his fellow
| officers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNnVbXPCEDU&t=418s
They claimed a violent riot was going on at the time Renee Good was >>>>shot. There was no riot visible in the videos of that time and
place.
Not everywhere was shown on he video or were prior events
included.
They claimed that Jonathan Ross saved his life by shooting
her. He did not. They claim he saved the lives of other officers.
No other officers were even remotely endangered.
As I have previously states=d I will wait to see what the
final investigation result is.
What investigation?
DOJ wonÆt investigate killing of Minneapolis woman shot by ICE
Jan. 13, 2026
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/01/13/no-basis-for-inve >>stigation-into-ice-shooting-of-minn-woman-doj/88035610007/
It seems the fact that the agent was hit by the car is
sufficient evidence to close this out.
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in news:0udhmkpkqjtgiktcklj6bbc4i1kpddge6t@4ax.com:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 02:53:53 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <XnsB3D4D52847962629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in >>news:jevemk9o8rggjud82dhj543ahm79qqml6e@4ax.com:
On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 00:22:30 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k796n$3ou7s$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
On 1/13/26 15:21, Attila wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 13:12:44 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k61uv$3asms$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 1/13/26 07:28, Attila wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 16:57:57 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10jui15$2kkcv$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on YouTube. >>>>>>>> If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer
with a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a >>>>>>>> time. Pause the video at the point where you want to watch more >>>>>>>> closely. The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key >>>>>>>> goes to the next frame. You can try it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0
When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the >>>>>>>> car's front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up,
causing the front of her car to swing rightward. While she was >>>>>>>> backing up, she straightened the front wheels. When she rolled >>>>>>>> forward she steered rightward, where she would go if she was >>>>>>>> trying to escape. If she had wanted to hit the second ICE agent >>>>>>>> who was near the front left corner of her car, she would have >>>>>>>> steered leftward.
Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and not
consistent with trying to harm the second ICE agent.
Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.
Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against people who >>>>>>>> are capable of feeling shame. This does not seem to describe >>>>>>>> the people in power in the US.
I will continue to wait and see what the official findings
are.
Meanwhile you appear to be reluctant to address some of the
other items involved:
The subject I wanted to talk about was the official lies of the
lying officials who talked about violent rioters (who are nowhere >>>>>> visible in any of the videos) and calling Renee Good a domestic
terrorist who was weaponizing her car to kill ICE agents. My
point is that the motives imputed to her were not consistent with >>>>>> her observed behaviour.
We must be looking at different video because I see people
throwing frozen water bottles and rocks at ICE agents,
pushing them, blocking them at every opportunity, and doing
everything they can think of to prevent them from doing
their duty. They also tried to invade a hotel that night
because they thought ICE agents were staying there. Hotel
security stopped them.
The Trump administration issued this statement on the day of
the shooting:
| Today, ICE officers in Minneapolis were conducting targeted
| operations when rioters began blocking ICE officers and one of
| these violent rioters weaponized her vehicle, attempting to run
| over our law enforcement officers in an attempt ti kill them --
| an act of domestic terrorism.
|
| An ICE officer, fearing for his life, the lives of his fellow law
| enforcement and the safety of the public, fired defensive shots.
| He used his training and saved his own life and that of his fellow >>>>| officers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNnVbXPCEDU&t=418s
They claimed a violent riot was going on at the time Renee Good was >>>>shot. There was no riot visible in the videos of that time and >>>>place.
Not everywhere was shown on he video or were prior events
included.
They claimed that Jonathan Ross saved his life by shooting
her. He did not. They claim he saved the lives of other officers. >>>>No other officers were even remotely endangered.
As I have previously states=d I will wait to see what the
final investigation result is.
What investigation?
DOJ won?t investigate killing of Minneapolis woman shot by ICE
Jan. 13, 2026
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/01/13/no-basis-for-inve >>stigation-into-ice-shooting-of-minn-woman-doj/88035610007/
It seems the fact that the agent was hit by the car is
sufficient evidence to close this out.
There is no investigation.
The government doesn't WANT an investigation.
What are they afraid of?
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in >news:0udhmkpkqjtgiktcklj6bbc4i1kpddge6t@4ax.com:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 02:53:53 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<XnsB3D4D52847962629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in >>>news:jevemk9o8rggjud82dhj543ahm79qqml6e@4ax.com:
On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 00:22:30 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k796n$3ou7s$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
On 1/13/26 15:21, Attila wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 13:12:44 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k61uv$3asms$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 1/13/26 07:28, Attila wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 16:57:57 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10jui15$2kkcv$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on YouTube. >>>>>>>>> If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer
with a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a >>>>>>>>> time. Pause the video at the point where you want to watch more >>>>>>>>> closely. The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key >>>>>>>>> goes to the next frame. You can try it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0
When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the >>>>>>>>> car's front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up,
causing the front of her car to swing rightward. While she was >>>>>>>>> backing up, she straightened the front wheels. When she rolled >>>>>>>>> forward she steered rightward, where she would go if she was >>>>>>>>> trying to escape. If she had wanted to hit the second ICE agent >>>>>>>>> who was near the front left corner of her car, she would have >>>>>>>>> steered leftward.
Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and not
consistent with trying to harm the second ICE agent.
Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.
Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against people who >>>>>>>>> are capable of feeling shame. This does not seem to describe >>>>>>>>> the people in power in the US.
I will continue to wait and see what the official findings
are.
Meanwhile you appear to be reluctant to address some of the
other items involved:
The subject I wanted to talk about was the official lies of the
lying officials who talked about violent rioters (who are nowhere >>>>>>> visible in any of the videos) and calling Renee Good a domestic
terrorist who was weaponizing her car to kill ICE agents. My
point is that the motives imputed to her were not consistent with >>>>>>> her observed behaviour.
We must be looking at different video because I see people
throwing frozen water bottles and rocks at ICE agents,
pushing them, blocking them at every opportunity, and doing
everything they can think of to prevent them from doing
their duty. They also tried to invade a hotel that night
because they thought ICE agents were staying there. Hotel
security stopped them.
The Trump administration issued this statement on the day of
the shooting:
| Today, ICE officers in Minneapolis were conducting targeted
| operations when rioters began blocking ICE officers and one of
| these violent rioters weaponized her vehicle, attempting to run
| over our law enforcement officers in an attempt ti kill them --
| an act of domestic terrorism.
|
| An ICE officer, fearing for his life, the lives of his fellow law
| enforcement and the safety of the public, fired defensive shots.
| He used his training and saved his own life and that of his fellow >>>>>| officers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNnVbXPCEDU&t=418s
They claimed a violent riot was going on at the time Renee Good was >>>>>shot. There was no riot visible in the videos of that time and >>>>>place.
Not everywhere was shown on he video or were prior events
included.
They claimed that Jonathan Ross saved his life by shooting
her. He did not. They claim he saved the lives of other officers. >>>>>No other officers were even remotely endangered.
As I have previously states=d I will wait to see what the
final investigation result is.
What investigation?
DOJ wonÆt investigate killing of Minneapolis woman shot by ICE
Jan. 13, 2026
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/01/13/no-basis-for-inve >>>stigation-into-ice-shooting-of-minn-woman-doj/88035610007/
It seems the fact that the agent was hit by the car is
sufficient evidence to close this out.
There is no investigation.
The government doesn't WANT an investigation.
What are they afraid of?
In article <XnsB3D551B282A53629555@185.151.15.160>,
noemail@aol.com says...
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:0udhmkpkqjtgiktcklj6bbc4i1kpddge6t@4ax.com:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 02:53:53 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<XnsB3D4D52847962629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:jevemk9o8rggjud82dhj543ahm79qqml6e@4ax.com:
On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 00:22:30 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k796n$3ou7s$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
On 1/13/26 15:21, Attila wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 13:12:44 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k61uv$3asms$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 1/13/26 07:28, Attila wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 16:57:57 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10jui15$2kkcv$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on
YouTube. If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a
computer with a physical keyboard, you can watch video one
frame at a time. Pause the video at the point where you want
to watch more closely. The ',' key goes to the previous
frame. The '.' key goes to the next frame. You can try it
here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0
When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door,
the car's front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed
up, causing the front of her car to swing rightward. While
she was backing up, she straightened the front wheels. When
she rolled forward she steered rightward, where she would go
if she was trying to escape. If she had wanted to hit the
second ICE agent who was near the front left corner of her
car, she would have steered leftward.
Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and not
consistent with trying to harm the second ICE agent.
Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.
Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against people
who are capable of feeling shame. This does not seem to
describe the people in power in the US.
I will continue to wait and see what the official findings
are.
Meanwhile you appear to be reluctant to address some of the
other items involved:
The subject I wanted to talk about was the official lies of
the lying officials who talked about violent rioters (who are
nowhere visible in any of the videos) and calling Renee Good a
domestic terrorist who was weaponizing her car to kill ICE
agents. My point is that the motives imputed to her were not
consistent with her observed behaviour.
We must be looking at different video because I see people
throwing frozen water bottles and rocks at ICE agents,
pushing them, blocking them at every opportunity, and doing
everything they can think of to prevent them from doing
their duty. They also tried to invade a hotel that night
because they thought ICE agents were staying there. Hotel
security stopped them.
The Trump administration issued this statement on the day of
the shooting:
| Today, ICE officers in Minneapolis were conducting targeted
| operations when rioters began blocking ICE officers and one of
| these violent rioters weaponized her vehicle, attempting to run
| over our law enforcement officers in an attempt ti kill them --
| an act of domestic terrorism.
|
| An ICE officer, fearing for his life, the lives of his fellow
| law enforcement and the safety of the public, fired defensive
| shots. He used his training and saved his own life and that of
| his fellow officers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNnVbXPCEDU&t=418s
They claimed a violent riot was going on at the time Renee Good
was shot. There was no riot visible in the videos of that time
and place.
Not everywhere was shown on he video or were prior events
included.
They claimed that Jonathan Ross saved his life by shooting
her. He did not. They claim he saved the lives of other
officers. No other officers were even remotely endangered.
As I have previously states=d I will wait to see what the
final investigation result is.
What investigation?
DOJ won?t investigate killing of Minneapolis woman shot by ICE
Jan. 13, 2026
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/01/13/no-basis-for-i
nve stigation-into-ice-shooting-of-minn-woman-doj/88035610007/
It seems the fact that the agent was hit by the car is
sufficient evidence to close this out.
There is no investigation.
The government doesn't WANT an investigation.
What are they afraid of?
Local LE refused to work with ICE. So fuck em.
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 13:58:29 +0000, Mitchell HolmanYouTube.
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <XnsB3D551B282A53629555@185.151.15.160> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in >>news:0udhmkpkqjtgiktcklj6bbc4i1kpddge6t@4ax.com:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 02:53:53 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<XnsB3D4D52847962629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in >>>>news:jevemk9o8rggjud82dhj543ahm79qqml6e@4ax.com:
On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 00:22:30 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k796n$3ou7s$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
On 1/13/26 15:21, Attila wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 13:12:44 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k61uv$3asms$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 1/13/26 07:28, Attila wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 16:57:57 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10jui15$2kkcv$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on
moreIf you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer >>>>>>>>>> with a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a >>>>>>>>>> time. Pause the video at the point where you want to watch
wasclosely. The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key >>>>>>>>>> goes to the next frame. You can try it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0
When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the >>>>>>>>>> car's front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up, >>>>>>>>>> causing the front of her car to swing rightward. While she
rolledbacking up, she straightened the front wheels. When she
agentforward she steered rightward, where she would go if she was >>>>>>>>>> trying to escape. If she had wanted to hit the second ICE
nowherewho was near the front left corner of her car, she would have >>>>>>>>>> steered leftward.
Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and not
consistent with trying to harm the second ICE agent.
Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.
Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against people who >>>>>>>>>> are capable of feeling shame. This does not seem to describe >>>>>>>>>> the people in power in the US.
I will continue to wait and see what the official findings
are.
Meanwhile you appear to be reluctant to address some of the
other items involved:
The subject I wanted to talk about was the official lies of the >>>>>>>> lying officials who talked about violent rioters (who are
withvisible in any of the videos) and calling Renee Good a domestic >>>>>>>> terrorist who was weaponizing her car to kill ICE agents. My >>>>>>>> point is that the motives imputed to her were not consistent
fellowher observed behaviour.
We must be looking at different video because I see people
throwing frozen water bottles and rocks at ICE agents,
pushing them, blocking them at every opportunity, and doing
everything they can think of to prevent them from doing
their duty. They also tried to invade a hotel that night
because they thought ICE agents were staying there. Hotel
security stopped them.
The Trump administration issued this statement on the day of
the shooting:
| Today, ICE officers in Minneapolis were conducting targeted
| operations when rioters began blocking ICE officers and one of
| these violent rioters weaponized her vehicle, attempting to run
| over our law enforcement officers in an attempt ti kill them --
| an act of domestic terrorism.
|
| An ICE officer, fearing for his life, the lives of his fellow law >>>>>>| enforcement and the safety of the public, fired defensive shots. >>>>>>| He used his training and saved his own life and that of his
inve| officers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNnVbXPCEDU&t=418s
They claimed a violent riot was going on at the time Renee Good was >>>>>>shot. There was no riot visible in the videos of that time and >>>>>>place.
Not everywhere was shown on he video or were prior events
included.
They claimed that Jonathan Ross saved his life by shooting
her. He did not. They claim he saved the lives of other officers. >>>>>>No other officers were even remotely endangered.
As I have previously states=d I will wait to see what the
final investigation result is.
What investigation?
DOJ wonÆt investigate killing of Minneapolis woman shot by ICE
Jan. 13, 2026
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/01/13/no-basis-for-
stigation-into-ice-shooting-of-minn-woman-doj/88035610007/
It seems the fact that the agent was hit by the car is
sufficient evidence to close this out.
There is no investigation.
Since so much was on video and so few people were directly
involved it should not take very long. The agent went to
the hospital and now it appears he has internal bleeding.
That is pretty good evidence he was hit by a car and not a
refrigerator door.
Would you be satisfied with any investigation that did not
The government doesn't WANT an investigation.
What are they afraid of?
find the agent guilty?
Skeeter <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.43d2a960cb4811b898ab36@usnews.blocknews.net:
In article <XnsB3D551B282A53629555@185.151.15.160>,
noemail@aol.com says...
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:0udhmkpkqjtgiktcklj6bbc4i1kpddge6t@4ax.com:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 02:53:53 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<XnsB3D4D52847962629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:jevemk9o8rggjud82dhj543ahm79qqml6e@4ax.com:
On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 00:22:30 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k796n$3ou7s$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
On 1/13/26 15:21, Attila wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 13:12:44 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k61uv$3asms$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 1/13/26 07:28, Attila wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 16:57:57 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10jui15$2kkcv$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on
YouTube. If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a
computer with a physical keyboard, you can watch video one
frame at a time. Pause the video at the point where you want
to watch more closely. The ',' key goes to the previous
frame. The '.' key goes to the next frame. You can try it
here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0
When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door,
the car's front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed
up, causing the front of her car to swing rightward. While
she was backing up, she straightened the front wheels. When
she rolled forward she steered rightward, where she would go
if she was trying to escape. If she had wanted to hit the
second ICE agent who was near the front left corner of her
car, she would have steered leftward.
Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and not
consistent with trying to harm the second ICE agent.
Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.
Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against people
who are capable of feeling shame. This does not seem to
describe the people in power in the US.
I will continue to wait and see what the official findings
are.
Meanwhile you appear to be reluctant to address some of the
other items involved:
The subject I wanted to talk about was the official lies of
the lying officials who talked about violent rioters (who are
nowhere visible in any of the videos) and calling Renee Good a
domestic terrorist who was weaponizing her car to kill ICE
agents. My point is that the motives imputed to her were not
consistent with her observed behaviour.
We must be looking at different video because I see people
throwing frozen water bottles and rocks at ICE agents,
pushing them, blocking them at every opportunity, and doing
everything they can think of to prevent them from doing
their duty. They also tried to invade a hotel that night
because they thought ICE agents were staying there. Hotel
security stopped them.
The Trump administration issued this statement on the day of
the shooting:
| Today, ICE officers in Minneapolis were conducting targeted
| operations when rioters began blocking ICE officers and one of
| these violent rioters weaponized her vehicle, attempting to run
| over our law enforcement officers in an attempt ti kill them --
| an act of domestic terrorism.
|
| An ICE officer, fearing for his life, the lives of his fellow
| law enforcement and the safety of the public, fired defensive
| shots. He used his training and saved his own life and that of
| his fellow officers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNnVbXPCEDU&t=418s
They claimed a violent riot was going on at the time Renee Good
was shot. There was no riot visible in the videos of that time
and place.
Not everywhere was shown on he video or were prior events
included.
They claimed that Jonathan Ross saved his life by shooting
her. He did not. They claim he saved the lives of other
officers. No other officers were even remotely endangered.
As I have previously states=d I will wait to see what the
final investigation result is.
What investigation?
DOJ won?t investigate killing of Minneapolis woman shot by ICE
Jan. 13, 2026
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/01/13/no-basis-for-i
nve stigation-into-ice-shooting-of-minn-woman-doj/88035610007/
It seems the fact that the agent was hit by the car is
sufficient evidence to close this out.
There is no investigation.
The government doesn't WANT an investigation.
What are they afraid of?
Local LE refused to work with ICE. So fuck em.
Wrong.
"Following the ICE shooting that led to
the death of Minneapolis mother Renee
Nicole Good, the Minnesota Bureau of
Criminal Apprehension said that they
cannot get access to the evidence due
to the FBI not cooperating with them."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/minnesota-investigators-kept-out-of- ice-shooting-investigation/ar-AA1TPPPx?apiversion=v2&domshim=1 &noservercache=1&noservertelemetry=1&batchservertelemetry=1 &renderwebcomponents=1&wcseo=1
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in news:pe7imkdv5j5s6q4strjeljssvnm18mohca@4ax.com:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 13:58:29 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <XnsB3D551B282A53629555@185.151.15.160> wrote:
YouTube.Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in >>news:0udhmkpkqjtgiktcklj6bbc4i1kpddge6t@4ax.com:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 02:53:53 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<XnsB3D4D52847962629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in >>>>news:jevemk9o8rggjud82dhj543ahm79qqml6e@4ax.com:
On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 00:22:30 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k796n$3ou7s$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
On 1/13/26 15:21, Attila wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 13:12:44 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k61uv$3asms$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 1/13/26 07:28, Attila wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 16:57:57 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10jui15$2kkcv$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on
moreIf you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer >>>>>>>>>> with a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a >>>>>>>>>> time. Pause the video at the point where you want to watch
wasclosely. The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key >>>>>>>>>> goes to the next frame. You can try it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0
When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the >>>>>>>>>> car's front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up, >>>>>>>>>> causing the front of her car to swing rightward. While she
rolledbacking up, she straightened the front wheels. When she
agentforward she steered rightward, where she would go if she was >>>>>>>>>> trying to escape. If she had wanted to hit the second ICE
nowherewho was near the front left corner of her car, she would have >>>>>>>>>> steered leftward.
Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and not >>>>>>>>>> consistent with trying to harm the second ICE agent.
Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.
Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against people who >>>>>>>>>> are capable of feeling shame. This does not seem to describe >>>>>>>>>> the people in power in the US.
I will continue to wait and see what the official findings >>>>>>>>> are.
Meanwhile you appear to be reluctant to address some of the >>>>>>>>> other items involved:
The subject I wanted to talk about was the official lies of the >>>>>>>> lying officials who talked about violent rioters (who are
withvisible in any of the videos) and calling Renee Good a domestic >>>>>>>> terrorist who was weaponizing her car to kill ICE agents. My >>>>>>>> point is that the motives imputed to her were not consistent
fellowher observed behaviour.
We must be looking at different video because I see people
throwing frozen water bottles and rocks at ICE agents,
pushing them, blocking them at every opportunity, and doing
everything they can think of to prevent them from doing
their duty. They also tried to invade a hotel that night
because they thought ICE agents were staying there. Hotel
security stopped them.
The Trump administration issued this statement on the day of
the shooting:
| Today, ICE officers in Minneapolis were conducting targeted
| operations when rioters began blocking ICE officers and one of >>>>>>| these violent rioters weaponized her vehicle, attempting to run >>>>>>| over our law enforcement officers in an attempt ti kill them -- >>>>>>| an act of domestic terrorism.
|
| An ICE officer, fearing for his life, the lives of his fellow law >>>>>>| enforcement and the safety of the public, fired defensive shots. >>>>>>| He used his training and saved his own life and that of his
inve| officers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNnVbXPCEDU&t=418s
They claimed a violent riot was going on at the time Renee Good was >>>>>>shot. There was no riot visible in the videos of that time and >>>>>>place.
Not everywhere was shown on he video or were prior events
included.
They claimed that Jonathan Ross saved his life by shooting
her. He did not. They claim he saved the lives of other officers. >>>>>>No other officers were even remotely endangered.
As I have previously states=d I will wait to see what the
final investigation result is.
What investigation?
DOJ won?t investigate killing of Minneapolis woman shot by ICE
Jan. 13, 2026
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/01/13/no-basis-for-
stigation-into-ice-shooting-of-minn-woman-doj/88035610007/
It seems the fact that the agent was hit by the car is
sufficient evidence to close this out.
There is no investigation.
Since so much was on video and so few people were directly
involved it should not take very long. The agent went to
the hospital and now it appears he has internal bleeding.
That is pretty good evidence he was hit by a car and not a
refrigerator door.
The video doesn't show him being
rammed by the car.
Would you be satisfied with any investigation that did not
The government doesn't WANT an investigation.
What are they afraid of?
find the agent guilty?
Of course. I have always accepted investigation
reports as long as they are properly done.
PS: If I can accept the Starr investigation
of Clinton can you accept the Jan 6 Committee
investigation on Trump?
Skeeter <invalid@none.com> wrote in >news:MPG.43d2a960cb4811b898ab36@usnews.blocknews.net:
In article <XnsB3D551B282A53629555@185.151.15.160>,
noemail@aol.com says...
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:0udhmkpkqjtgiktcklj6bbc4i1kpddge6t@4ax.com:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 02:53:53 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<XnsB3D4D52847962629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:jevemk9o8rggjud82dhj543ahm79qqml6e@4ax.com:
On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 00:22:30 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k796n$3ou7s$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
On 1/13/26 15:21, Attila wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 13:12:44 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k61uv$3asms$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 1/13/26 07:28, Attila wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 16:57:57 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10jui15$2kkcv$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on
YouTube. If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a
computer with a physical keyboard, you can watch video one
frame at a time. Pause the video at the point where you want
to watch more closely. The ',' key goes to the previous
frame. The '.' key goes to the next frame. You can try it
here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0
When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door,
the car's front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed
up, causing the front of her car to swing rightward. While
she was backing up, she straightened the front wheels. When
she rolled forward she steered rightward, where she would go
if she was trying to escape. If she had wanted to hit the
second ICE agent who was near the front left corner of her
car, she would have steered leftward.
Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and not
consistent with trying to harm the second ICE agent.
Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.
Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against people
who are capable of feeling shame. This does not seem to
describe the people in power in the US.
I will continue to wait and see what the official findings
are.
Meanwhile you appear to be reluctant to address some of the
other items involved:
The subject I wanted to talk about was the official lies of
the lying officials who talked about violent rioters (who are
nowhere visible in any of the videos) and calling Renee Good a
domestic terrorist who was weaponizing her car to kill ICE
agents. My point is that the motives imputed to her were not
consistent with her observed behaviour.
We must be looking at different video because I see people
throwing frozen water bottles and rocks at ICE agents,
pushing them, blocking them at every opportunity, and doing
everything they can think of to prevent them from doing
their duty. They also tried to invade a hotel that night
because they thought ICE agents were staying there. Hotel
security stopped them.
The Trump administration issued this statement on the day of
the shooting:
| Today, ICE officers in Minneapolis were conducting targeted
| operations when rioters began blocking ICE officers and one of
| these violent rioters weaponized her vehicle, attempting to run
| over our law enforcement officers in an attempt ti kill them --
| an act of domestic terrorism.
|
| An ICE officer, fearing for his life, the lives of his fellow
| law enforcement and the safety of the public, fired defensive
| shots. He used his training and saved his own life and that of
| his fellow officers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNnVbXPCEDU&t=418s
They claimed a violent riot was going on at the time Renee Good
was shot. There was no riot visible in the videos of that time
and place.
Not everywhere was shown on he video or were prior events
included.
They claimed that Jonathan Ross saved his life by shooting
her. He did not. They claim he saved the lives of other
officers. No other officers were even remotely endangered.
As I have previously states=d I will wait to see what the
final investigation result is.
What investigation?
DOJ won?t investigate killing of Minneapolis woman shot by ICE
Jan. 13, 2026
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/01/13/no-basis-for-i
nve stigation-into-ice-shooting-of-minn-woman-doj/88035610007/
It seems the fact that the agent was hit by the car is
sufficient evidence to close this out.
There is no investigation.
The government doesn't WANT an investigation.
What are they afraid of?
Local LE refused to work with ICE. So fuck em.
Wrong.
"Following the ICE shooting that led to
the death of Minneapolis mother Renee
Nicole Good, the Minnesota Bureau of
Criminal Apprehension said that they
cannot get access to the evidence due
to the FBI not cooperating with them."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/minnesota-investigators-kept-out-of- >ice-shooting-investigation/ar-AA1TPPPx?apiversion=v2&domshim=1 >&noservercache=1&noservertelemetry=1&batchservertelemetry=1 >&renderwebcomponents=1&wcseo=1--
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in >news:pe7imkdv5j5s6q4strjeljssvnm18mohca@4ax.com:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 13:58:29 +0000, Mitchell HolmanYouTube.
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<XnsB3D551B282A53629555@185.151.15.160> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in >>>news:0udhmkpkqjtgiktcklj6bbc4i1kpddge6t@4ax.com:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 02:53:53 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<XnsB3D4D52847962629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in >>>>>news:jevemk9o8rggjud82dhj543ahm79qqml6e@4ax.com:
On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 00:22:30 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k796n$3ou7s$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
On 1/13/26 15:21, Attila wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 13:12:44 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k61uv$3asms$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 1/13/26 07:28, Attila wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 16:57:57 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10jui15$2kkcv$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on
moreIf you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a computer >>>>>>>>>>> with a physical keyboard, you can watch video one frame at a >>>>>>>>>>> time. Pause the video at the point where you want to watch
wasclosely. The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.' key >>>>>>>>>>> goes to the next frame. You can try it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0
When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door, the >>>>>>>>>>> car's front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed up, >>>>>>>>>>> causing the front of her car to swing rightward. While she
rolledbacking up, she straightened the front wheels. When she
agentforward she steered rightward, where she would go if she was >>>>>>>>>>> trying to escape. If she had wanted to hit the second ICE
nowherewho was near the front left corner of her car, she would have >>>>>>>>>>> steered leftward.
Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and not >>>>>>>>>>> consistent with trying to harm the second ICE agent.
Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.
Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against people who >>>>>>>>>>> are capable of feeling shame. This does not seem to describe >>>>>>>>>>> the people in power in the US.
I will continue to wait and see what the official findings >>>>>>>>>> are.
Meanwhile you appear to be reluctant to address some of the >>>>>>>>>> other items involved:
The subject I wanted to talk about was the official lies of the >>>>>>>>> lying officials who talked about violent rioters (who are
withvisible in any of the videos) and calling Renee Good a domestic >>>>>>>>> terrorist who was weaponizing her car to kill ICE agents. My >>>>>>>>> point is that the motives imputed to her were not consistent
fellowher observed behaviour.
We must be looking at different video because I see people
throwing frozen water bottles and rocks at ICE agents,
pushing them, blocking them at every opportunity, and doing
everything they can think of to prevent them from doing
their duty. They also tried to invade a hotel that night
because they thought ICE agents were staying there. Hotel
security stopped them.
The Trump administration issued this statement on the day of
the shooting:
| Today, ICE officers in Minneapolis were conducting targeted
| operations when rioters began blocking ICE officers and one of >>>>>>>| these violent rioters weaponized her vehicle, attempting to run >>>>>>>| over our law enforcement officers in an attempt ti kill them -- >>>>>>>| an act of domestic terrorism.
|
| An ICE officer, fearing for his life, the lives of his fellow law >>>>>>>| enforcement and the safety of the public, fired defensive shots. >>>>>>>| He used his training and saved his own life and that of his
inve| officers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNnVbXPCEDU&t=418s
They claimed a violent riot was going on at the time Renee Good was >>>>>>>shot. There was no riot visible in the videos of that time and >>>>>>>place.
Not everywhere was shown on he video or were prior events
included.
They claimed that Jonathan Ross saved his life by shooting
her. He did not. They claim he saved the lives of other officers. >>>>>>>No other officers were even remotely endangered.
As I have previously states=d I will wait to see what the
final investigation result is.
What investigation?
DOJ wonÆt investigate killing of Minneapolis woman shot by ICE
Jan. 13, 2026
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/01/13/no-basis-for-
stigation-into-ice-shooting-of-minn-woman-doj/88035610007/
It seems the fact that the agent was hit by the car is
sufficient evidence to close this out.
There is no investigation.
Since so much was on video and so few people were directly
involved it should not take very long. The agent went to
the hospital and now it appears he has internal bleeding.
That is pretty good evidence he was hit by a car and not a
refrigerator door.
The video doesn't show him being
rammed by the car.
Would you be satisfied with any investigation that did not
The government doesn't WANT an investigation.
What are they afraid of?
find the agent guilty?
Of course. I have always accepted investigation
reports as long as they are properly done.
PS: If I can accept the Starr investigation
of Clinton can you accept the Jan 6 Committee
investigation on Trump?
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 18:45:24 +0000, Mitchell Holmanwant
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <XnsB3D58257444A629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
Skeeter <invalid@none.com> wrote in >>news:MPG.43d2a960cb4811b898ab36@usnews.blocknews.net:
In article <XnsB3D551B282A53629555@185.151.15.160>,
noemail@aol.com says...
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:0udhmkpkqjtgiktcklj6bbc4i1kpddge6t@4ax.com:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 02:53:53 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<XnsB3D4D52847962629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:jevemk9o8rggjud82dhj543ahm79qqml6e@4ax.com:
On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 00:22:30 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k796n$3ou7s$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
On 1/13/26 15:21, Attila wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 13:12:44 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k61uv$3asms$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 1/13/26 07:28, Attila wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 16:57:57 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10jui15$2kkcv$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on
YouTube. If you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a
computer with a physical keyboard, you can watch video one
frame at a time. Pause the video at the point where you
Whento watch more closely. The ',' key goes to the previous
frame. The '.' key goes to the next frame. You can try it
here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0
When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door,
the car's front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed
up, causing the front of her car to swing rightward. While
she was backing up, she straightened the front wheels.
goshe rolled forward she steered rightward, where she would
aif she was trying to escape. If she had wanted to hit the
second ICE agent who was near the front left corner of her
car, she would have steered leftward.
Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and not
consistent with trying to harm the second ICE agent.
Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.
Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against people
who are capable of feeling shame. This does not seem to
describe the people in power in the US.
I will continue to wait and see what the official findings
are.
Meanwhile you appear to be reluctant to address some of the
other items involved:
The subject I wanted to talk about was the official lies of
the lying officials who talked about violent rioters (who are
nowhere visible in any of the videos) and calling Renee Good
notdomestic terrorist who was weaponizing her car to kill ICE
agents. My point is that the motives imputed to her were
runconsistent with her observed behaviour.
We must be looking at different video because I see people
throwing frozen water bottles and rocks at ICE agents,
pushing them, blocking them at every opportunity, and doing
everything they can think of to prevent them from doing
their duty. They also tried to invade a hotel that night
because they thought ICE agents were staying there. Hotel
security stopped them.
The Trump administration issued this statement on the day of
the shooting:
| Today, ICE officers in Minneapolis were conducting targeted
| operations when rioters began blocking ICE officers and one of
| these violent rioters weaponized her vehicle, attempting to
--| over our law enforcement officers in an attempt ti kill them
for-i| an act of domestic terrorism.
|
| An ICE officer, fearing for his life, the lives of his fellow
| law enforcement and the safety of the public, fired defensive
| shots. He used his training and saved his own life and that of
| his fellow officers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNnVbXPCEDU&t=418s
They claimed a violent riot was going on at the time Renee Good
was shot. There was no riot visible in the videos of that time
and place.
Not everywhere was shown on he video or were prior events
included.
They claimed that Jonathan Ross saved his life by shooting
her. He did not. They claim he saved the lives of other
officers. No other officers were even remotely endangered.
As I have previously states=d I will wait to see what the
final investigation result is.
What investigation?
DOJ won?t investigate killing of Minneapolis woman shot by ICE
Jan. 13, 2026
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/01/13/no-basis-
nve stigation-into-ice-shooting-of-minn-woman-doj/88035610007/
It seems the fact that the agent was hit by the car is
sufficient evidence to close this out.
There is no investigation.
The government doesn't WANT an investigation.
What are they afraid of?
Local LE refused to work with ICE. So fuck em.
Wrong.
"Following the ICE shooting that led to
the death of Minneapolis mother Renee
Nicole Good, the Minnesota Bureau of
Criminal Apprehension said that they
cannot get access to the evidence due
to the FBI not cooperating with them."
A federal crime is investigated by federal agents.
Where
were the police to assist the agents when they were looking
for illegals?
Why not notify ICE when an illegal is ready to be released
rather than just turning them loose?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/minnesota-investigators-kept-out-of- >>ice-shooting-investigation/ar-AA1TPPPx?apiversion=v2&domshim=1 >>&noservercache=1&noservertelemetry=1&batchservertelemetry=1 >>&renderwebcomponents=1&wcseo=1
In article <XnsB3D58531B47E8629555@185.151.15.190>,
noemail@aol.com says...
There are plenty that do.
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:pe7imkdv5j5s6q4strjeljssvnm18mohca@4ax.com:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 13:58:29 +0000, Mitchell HolmanYouTube.
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<XnsB3D551B282A53629555@185.151.15.160> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:0udhmkpkqjtgiktcklj6bbc4i1kpddge6t@4ax.com:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 02:53:53 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<XnsB3D4D52847962629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:jevemk9o8rggjud82dhj543ahm79qqml6e@4ax.com:
On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 00:22:30 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k796n$3ou7s$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
On 1/13/26 15:21, Attila wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 13:12:44 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k61uv$3asms$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 1/13/26 07:28, Attila wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 16:57:57 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10jui15$2kkcv$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on
moreIf you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a
computer with a physical keyboard, you can watch video one
frame at a time. Pause the video at the point where you
want to watch
wasclosely. The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.'
key goes to the next frame. You can try it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0
When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door,
the car's front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed
up, causing the front of her car to swing rightward.
While she
rolledbacking up, she straightened the front wheels. When she
agentforward she steered rightward, where she would go if she
was trying to escape. If she had wanted to hit the second
ICE
nowherewho was near the front left corner of her car, she would
have steered leftward.
Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and not
consistent with trying to harm the second ICE agent.
Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.
Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against people
who are capable of feeling shame. This does not seem to
describe the people in power in the US.
I will continue to wait and see what the official findings
are.
Meanwhile you appear to be reluctant to address some of the
other items involved:
The subject I wanted to talk about was the official lies of
the lying officials who talked about violent rioters (who
are
withvisible in any of the videos) and calling Renee Good a
domestic terrorist who was weaponizing her car to kill ICE
agents. My point is that the motives imputed to her were
not consistent
fellowher observed behaviour.
We must be looking at different video because I see people
throwing frozen water bottles and rocks at ICE agents,
pushing them, blocking them at every opportunity, and doing
everything they can think of to prevent them from doing
their duty. They also tried to invade a hotel that night
because they thought ICE agents were staying there. Hotel
security stopped them.
The Trump administration issued this statement on the day of
the shooting:
| Today, ICE officers in Minneapolis were conducting targeted
| operations when rioters began blocking ICE officers and one
| of these violent rioters weaponized her vehicle, attempting
| to run over our law enforcement officers in an attempt ti
| kill them -- an act of domestic terrorism.
|
| An ICE officer, fearing for his life, the lives of his fellow
| law enforcement and the safety of the public, fired defensive
| shots. He used his training and saved his own life and that
| of his
inve| officers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNnVbXPCEDU&t=418s
They claimed a violent riot was going on at the time Renee Good
was shot. There was no riot visible in the videos of that time
and place.
Not everywhere was shown on he video or were prior events
included.
They claimed that Jonathan Ross saved his life by shooting
her. He did not. They claim he saved the lives of other
officers. No other officers were even remotely endangered.
As I have previously states=d I will wait to see what the
final investigation result is.
What investigation?
DOJ won?t investigate killing of Minneapolis woman shot by ICE
Jan. 13, 2026
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/01/13/no-basis-for
-
stigation-into-ice-shooting-of-minn-woman-doj/88035610007/
It seems the fact that the agent was hit by the car is
sufficient evidence to close this out.
There is no investigation.
Since so much was on video and so few people were directly
involved it should not take very long. The agent went to
the hospital and now it appears he has internal bleeding.
That is pretty good evidence he was hit by a car and not a
refrigerator door.
The video doesn't show him being
rammed by the car.
Would you be satisfied with any investigation that did not
The government doesn't WANT an investigation.
What are they afraid of?
find the agent guilty?
Of course. I have always accepted investigation
reports as long as they are properly done.
Who decides that? You?
PS: If I can accept the Starr investigation
of Clinton can you accept the Jan 6 Committee
investigation on Trump?
The crooked committee?
Skeeter <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.43d2ea4a66287f5898ab3d@usnews.blocknews.net:
In article <XnsB3D58531B47E8629555@185.151.15.190>,
noemail@aol.com says...
There are plenty that do.
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:pe7imkdv5j5s6q4strjeljssvnm18mohca@4ax.com:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 13:58:29 +0000, Mitchell HolmanYouTube.
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<XnsB3D551B282A53629555@185.151.15.160> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:0udhmkpkqjtgiktcklj6bbc4i1kpddge6t@4ax.com:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 02:53:53 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<XnsB3D4D52847962629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:jevemk9o8rggjud82dhj543ahm79qqml6e@4ax.com:
On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 00:22:30 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k796n$3ou7s$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
On 1/13/26 15:21, Attila wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 13:12:44 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k61uv$3asms$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 1/13/26 07:28, Attila wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 16:57:57 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10jui15$2kkcv$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on
moreIf you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a
computer with a physical keyboard, you can watch video one
frame at a time. Pause the video at the point where you
want to watch
wasclosely. The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The '.'
key goes to the next frame. You can try it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0
When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car door,
the car's front wheels were pointing leftward. She backed
up, causing the front of her car to swing rightward.
While she
rolledbacking up, she straightened the front wheels. When she
agentforward she steered rightward, where she would go if she
was trying to escape. If she had wanted to hit the second
ICE
nowherewho was near the front left corner of her car, she would
have steered leftward.
Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and not
consistent with trying to harm the second ICE agent.
Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.
Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against people
who are capable of feeling shame. This does not seem to
describe the people in power in the US.
I will continue to wait and see what the official findings
are.
Meanwhile you appear to be reluctant to address some of the
other items involved:
The subject I wanted to talk about was the official lies of
the lying officials who talked about violent rioters (who
are
withvisible in any of the videos) and calling Renee Good a
domestic terrorist who was weaponizing her car to kill ICE
agents. My point is that the motives imputed to her were
not consistent
fellowher observed behaviour.
We must be looking at different video because I see people
throwing frozen water bottles and rocks at ICE agents,
pushing them, blocking them at every opportunity, and doing
everything they can think of to prevent them from doing
their duty. They also tried to invade a hotel that night
because they thought ICE agents were staying there. Hotel
security stopped them.
The Trump administration issued this statement on the day of
the shooting:
| Today, ICE officers in Minneapolis were conducting targeted
| operations when rioters began blocking ICE officers and one
| of these violent rioters weaponized her vehicle, attempting
| to run over our law enforcement officers in an attempt ti
| kill them -- an act of domestic terrorism.
|
| An ICE officer, fearing for his life, the lives of his fellow
| law enforcement and the safety of the public, fired defensive
| shots. He used his training and saved his own life and that
| of his
inve| officers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNnVbXPCEDU&t=418s
They claimed a violent riot was going on at the time Renee Good
was shot. There was no riot visible in the videos of that time
and place.
Not everywhere was shown on he video or were prior events
included.
They claimed that Jonathan Ross saved his life by shooting
her. He did not. They claim he saved the lives of other
officers. No other officers were even remotely endangered.
As I have previously states=d I will wait to see what the
final investigation result is.
What investigation?
DOJ won?t investigate killing of Minneapolis woman shot by ICE
Jan. 13, 2026
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/01/13/no-basis-for
-
stigation-into-ice-shooting-of-minn-woman-doj/88035610007/
It seems the fact that the agent was hit by the car is
sufficient evidence to close this out.
There is no investigation.
Since so much was on video and so few people were directly
involved it should not take very long. The agent went to
the hospital and now it appears he has internal bleeding.
That is pretty good evidence he was hit by a car and not a
refrigerator door.
The video doesn't show him being
rammed by the car.
Prove it.
Would you be satisfied with any investigation that did not
The government doesn't WANT an investigation.
What are they afraid of?
find the agent guilty?
Of course. I have always accepted investigation
reports as long as they are properly done.
Who decides that? You?
PS: If I can accept the Starr investigation
of Clinton can you accept the Jan 6 Committee
investigation on Trump?
The crooked committee?
What was crooked about it, except for
the fact it was chaired by a Republican?
A federal crime is investigated by federal agents.
What part of "DOJ WON'T INVESTIGATE"
from the above citation are you not
understanding?
Where
were the police to assist the agents when they were looking
for illegals?
Where did DOJ even ask for local assistance?
Why not notify ICE when an illegal is ready to be released
rather than just turning them loose?
Do you really think local cops have
the time and training to investigate the
citizenship nof everyone they arrest?
On Fri, 16 Jan 2026 02:43:47 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <XnsB3D5D372E7918629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
A federal crime is investigated by federal agents.
What part of "DOJ WON'T INVESTIGATE"
from the above citation are you not
understanding?
A federal crime can only be investigated by federal agents.
State and local authorities have no jurisdiction.
Why not notify ICE when an illegal is ready to be released
rather than just turning them loose?
Do you really think local cops have
the time and training to investigate the
citizenship nof everyone they arrest?
They ID everyone and check to see if they are wanted
elsewhere.
In article <XnsB3D5D3B9E5BAF629555@185.151.15.190>,
noemail@aol.com says...
Skeeter <invalid@none.com> wrote in
news:MPG.43d2ea4a66287f5898ab3d@usnews.blocknews.net:
In article <XnsB3D58531B47E8629555@185.151.15.190>,
noemail@aol.com says...
There are plenty that do.
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:pe7imkdv5j5s6q4strjeljssvnm18mohca@4ax.com:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 13:58:29 +0000, Mitchell HolmanYouTube.
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<XnsB3D551B282A53629555@185.151.15.160> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:0udhmkpkqjtgiktcklj6bbc4i1kpddge6t@4ax.com:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 02:53:53 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<XnsB3D4D52847962629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:jevemk9o8rggjud82dhj543ahm79qqml6e@4ax.com:
On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 00:22:30 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k796n$3ou7s$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
On 1/13/26 15:21, Attila wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 13:12:44 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k61uv$3asms$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 1/13/26 07:28, Attila wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 16:57:57 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10jui15$2kkcv$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on
moreIf you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a
computer with a physical keyboard, you can watch video
one frame at a time. Pause the video at the point where
you want to watch
wasclosely. The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The
'.' key goes to the next frame. You can try it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0
When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car
door, the car's front wheels were pointing leftward.
She backed up, causing the front of her car to swing
rightward. While she
rolledbacking up, she straightened the front wheels. When
she
agentforward she steered rightward, where she would go if
she was trying to escape. If she had wanted to hit the
second ICE
nowherewho was near the front left corner of her car, she
would have steered leftward.
Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and
not consistent with trying to harm the second ICE
agent.
Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.
Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against
people who are capable of feeling shame. This does not
seem to describe the people in power in the US.
I will continue to wait and see what the official
findings are.
Meanwhile you appear to be reluctant to address some of
the other items involved:
The subject I wanted to talk about was the official lies
of the lying officials who talked about violent rioters
(who are
withvisible in any of the videos) and calling Renee Good a
domestic terrorist who was weaponizing her car to kill
ICE agents. My point is that the motives imputed to her
were not consistent
fellowher observed behaviour.
We must be looking at different video because I see people
throwing frozen water bottles and rocks at ICE agents,
pushing them, blocking them at every opportunity, and
doing everything they can think of to prevent them from
doing their duty. They also tried to invade a hotel that
night because they thought ICE agents were staying there.
Hotel security stopped them.
The Trump administration issued this statement on the day of
the shooting:
| Today, ICE officers in Minneapolis were conducting
| targeted operations when rioters began blocking ICE
| officers and one of these violent rioters weaponized her
| vehicle, attempting to run over our law enforcement
| officers in an attempt ti kill them -- an act of domestic
| terrorism.
|
| An ICE officer, fearing for his life, the lives of his
| fellow law enforcement and the safety of the public, fired
| defensive shots. He used his training and saved his own
| life and that of his
inve| officers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNnVbXPCEDU&t=418s
They claimed a violent riot was going on at the time Renee
Good was shot. There was no riot visible in the videos of
that time and place.
Not everywhere was shown on he video or were prior events
included.
They claimed that Jonathan Ross saved his life by shooting
her. He did not. They claim he saved the lives of other
officers. No other officers were even remotely endangered.
As I have previously states=d I will wait to see what the
final investigation result is.
What investigation?
DOJ won?t investigate killing of Minneapolis woman shot by ICE
Jan. 13, 2026
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/01/13/no-basis-
for -
stigation-into-ice-shooting-of-minn-woman-doj/88035610007/
It seems the fact that the agent was hit by the car is
sufficient evidence to close this out.
There is no investigation.
Since so much was on video and so few people were directly
involved it should not take very long. The agent went to
the hospital and now it appears he has internal bleeding.
That is pretty good evidence he was hit by a car and not a
refrigerator door.
The video doesn't show him being
rammed by the car.
Prove it.
Would you be satisfied with any investigation that did not
The government doesn't WANT an investigation.
What are they afraid of?
find the agent guilty?
Of course. I have always accepted investigation
reports as long as they are properly done.
Who decides that? You?
PS: If I can accept the Starr investigation
of Clinton can you accept the Jan 6 Committee
investigation on Trump?
The crooked committee?
What was crooked about it, except for
the fact it was chaired by a Republican?
What does that have to do with anything? There are RINOS.
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in news:hd6kmk5uijd8qpl5vc3v6q01famhoqkgmu@4ax.com:
On Fri, 16 Jan 2026 02:43:47 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <XnsB3D5D372E7918629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
A federal crime is investigated by federal agents.
What part of "DOJ WON'T INVESTIGATE"
from the above citation are you not
understanding?
A federal crime can only be investigated by federal agents.
State and local authorities have no jurisdiction.
So local authorities have no
jurisdiction to detain anyone
for a suspected federal offense
like immigration violation.
Why not notify ICE when an illegal is ready to be released
rather than just turning them loose?
Do you really think local cops have
the time and training to investigate the
citizenship nof everyone they arrest?
They ID everyone and check to see if they are wanted
elsewhere.
Exactly. "No wants, no warrants",
local authorities cannot detain possible
immigration violators any more than they
detain possible tax violators.
Skeeter <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.43d3bd731c11258e98abaf@usnews.blocknews.net:
In article <XnsB3D5D3B9E5BAF629555@185.151.15.190>,
noemail@aol.com says...
Skeeter <invalid@none.com> wrote in
news:MPG.43d2ea4a66287f5898ab3d@usnews.blocknews.net:
In article <XnsB3D58531B47E8629555@185.151.15.190>,
noemail@aol.com says...
There are plenty that do.
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:pe7imkdv5j5s6q4strjeljssvnm18mohca@4ax.com:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 13:58:29 +0000, Mitchell HolmanYouTube.
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<XnsB3D551B282A53629555@185.151.15.160> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:0udhmkpkqjtgiktcklj6bbc4i1kpddge6t@4ax.com:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 02:53:53 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<XnsB3D4D52847962629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:jevemk9o8rggjud82dhj543ahm79qqml6e@4ax.com:
On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 00:22:30 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k796n$3ou7s$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
On 1/13/26 15:21, Attila wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 13:12:44 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10k61uv$3asms$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
On 1/13/26 07:28, Attila wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 16:57:57 -0500, David Canzi
<dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> in alt.atheism with message-id
<10jui15$2kkcv$1@paganini.bofh.team> wrote:
Here's a useful thing you might not know you can do on
moreIf you're accessing YouTube through a browser on a
computer with a physical keyboard, you can watch video
one frame at a time. Pause the video at the point where
you want to watch
wasclosely. The ',' key goes to the previous frame. The
'.' key goes to the next frame. You can try it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou5AhQWTex0
When the first ICE agent walked to Renee Good's car
door, the car's front wheels were pointing leftward.
She backed up, causing the front of her car to swing
rightward. While she
rolledbacking up, she straightened the front wheels. When
she
agentforward she steered rightward, where she would go if
she was trying to escape. If she had wanted to hit the
second ICE
nowherewho was near the front left corner of her car, she
would have steered leftward.
Her actions were consistent with trying to escape and
not consistent with trying to harm the second ICE
agent.
Trump and Noem lied shamelessly about this.
Nonviolent resistance works when it's used against
people who are capable of feeling shame. This does not
seem to describe the people in power in the US.
I will continue to wait and see what the official
findings are.
Meanwhile you appear to be reluctant to address some of
the other items involved:
The subject I wanted to talk about was the official lies
of the lying officials who talked about violent rioters
(who are
withvisible in any of the videos) and calling Renee Good a
domestic terrorist who was weaponizing her car to kill
ICE agents. My point is that the motives imputed to her
were not consistent
fellowher observed behaviour.
We must be looking at different video because I see people
throwing frozen water bottles and rocks at ICE agents,
pushing them, blocking them at every opportunity, and
doing everything they can think of to prevent them from
doing their duty. They also tried to invade a hotel that
night because they thought ICE agents were staying there.
Hotel security stopped them.
The Trump administration issued this statement on the day of
the shooting:
| Today, ICE officers in Minneapolis were conducting
| targeted operations when rioters began blocking ICE
| officers and one of these violent rioters weaponized her
| vehicle, attempting to run over our law enforcement
| officers in an attempt ti kill them -- an act of domestic
| terrorism.
|
| An ICE officer, fearing for his life, the lives of his
| fellow law enforcement and the safety of the public, fired
| defensive shots. He used his training and saved his own
| life and that of his
inve| officers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNnVbXPCEDU&t=418s
They claimed a violent riot was going on at the time Renee
Good was shot. There was no riot visible in the videos of
that time and place.
Not everywhere was shown on he video or were prior events
included.
They claimed that Jonathan Ross saved his life by shooting
her. He did not. They claim he saved the lives of other
officers. No other officers were even remotely endangered.
As I have previously states=d I will wait to see what the
final investigation result is.
What investigation?
DOJ won?t investigate killing of Minneapolis woman shot by ICE
Jan. 13, 2026
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/01/13/no-basis-
for -
stigation-into-ice-shooting-of-minn-woman-doj/88035610007/
It seems the fact that the agent was hit by the car is
sufficient evidence to close this out.
There is no investigation.
Since so much was on video and so few people were directly
involved it should not take very long. The agent went to
the hospital and now it appears he has internal bleeding.
That is pretty good evidence he was hit by a car and not a
refrigerator door.
The video doesn't show him being
rammed by the car.
Prove it.
Would you be satisfied with any investigation that did not
The government doesn't WANT an investigation.
What are they afraid of?
find the agent guilty?
Of course. I have always accepted investigation
reports as long as they are properly done.
Who decides that? You?
PS: If I can accept the Starr investigation
of Clinton can you accept the Jan 6 Committee
investigation on Trump?
The crooked committee?
What was crooked about it, except for
the fact it was chaired by a Republican?
What does that have to do with anything? There are RINOS.
All Republicans are RINOS unless they
remain prostrated before Trump.
"Kneel bofre the great Orange God!
Kneel, I say!"
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in >news:hd6kmk5uijd8qpl5vc3v6q01famhoqkgmu@4ax.com:
On Fri, 16 Jan 2026 02:43:47 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<XnsB3D5D372E7918629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
A federal crime is investigated by federal agents.
What part of "DOJ WON'T INVESTIGATE"
from the above citation are you not
understanding?
A federal crime can only be investigated by federal agents.
State and local authorities have no jurisdiction.
So local authorities have no
jurisdiction to detain anyone
for a suspected federal offense
like immigration violation.
Why not notify ICE when an illegal is ready to be released
rather than just turning them loose?
Do you really think local cops have
the time and training to investigate the
citizenship nof everyone they arrest?
They ID everyone and check to see if they are wanted
elsewhere.
Exactly. "No wants, no warrants",
local authorities cannot detain possible
immigration violators any more than they
detain possible tax violators.
All Republicans are RINOS unless they
remain prostrated before Trump.
"Kneel bofre the great Orange God!
Kneel, I say!"
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