• Solar most expensive form of energy

    From JTEM@jtem01@gmail.com to alt.global-warming,sci.skeptic,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh on Sat Jan 10 00:43:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.skeptic


    https://www.facebook.com/reel/3532194280253352

    Solar sucks.

    You've been lied to.
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  • From -hh@recscuba_google@huntzinger.com to alt.global-warming,sci.skeptic,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh on Sat Jan 10 06:51:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.skeptic

    On 1/10/26 00:43, JTEM wrote:

    https://www.facebook.com/reel/3532194280253352

    Solar sucks.

    You've been lied to.


    I've reviewed that organizations report: they're doing an impressive
    hatchet job in deceiving the public.

    The facts are that the LCOE for Solar power generation today is 1/2 the
    costs of coal or natural gas generation, & 1/3 of nuclear. Ditto Wind.

    Furthermore, within the past two years, the cost of Solar *including the
    cost of storage batteries* to make it as dispatchable as peaker gas is
    cheaper than peaker gas. In 2025, battery costs have dropped further,
    so the most current numbers put (solar+batteries) at the same generation
    cost as coal.

    This doesn't address rate increases, though: a major cost driver on
    this today is increased demand from AI, and higher infrastructure costs
    (aka "the grid"): its not the actual power generation component.

    Your cite's own report knows this, yet neglected noting this on their
    summary chart (page 4): gosh, why?

    They blamed how the RPS/RGGI costs increasing by +$6, but their own data
    shows that they're ignoring that Traditional Energy Supply costs in
    their study period increased by +$8, that Distribution costs increased
    by +$14, and that Transmission costs increased by +$25.

    TL;DR:
    they blamed the +$6 increase, not the ($8+$14+$25) = +$47 increase.


    -hh
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  • From dart200@user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.global-warming,sci.skeptic,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh on Sat Jan 10 20:55:15 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.skeptic

    On 1/9/26 9:43 PM, JTEM wrote:

    https://www.facebook.com/reel/3532194280253352

    Solar sucks.

    You've been lied to.


    i bet horsepower is more expensive
    --
    hi, i'm nick! let's end war 🙃

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  • From Mert@nospam@nospam.com to alt.global-warming,sci.skeptic,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh on Sun Jan 11 05:04:34 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.skeptic

    dart200 wrote:

    On 1/9/26 9:43 PM, JTEM wrote:

    https://www.facebook.com/reel/3532194280253352

    Solar sucks.

    You've been lied to.


    i bet horsepower is more expensive

    I capture whales and burn their oil and sell the buggy whips I make from
    their hide to Americans in the Trump voting red states.


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  • From chine.bleu@chine.bleu@yahoo.com to alt.global-warming,sci.skeptic,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh on Sat Jan 10 21:21:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.skeptic

    dart200 wrote:
    On 1/9/26 9:43 PM, JTEM wrote:

    https://www.facebook.com/reel/3532194280253352

    Solar sucks.

    You've been lied to.


    i bet horsepower is more expensive


    Solar runs low in winter if you run out of hsy.
    --
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    NO KINGS For I desire mercy not sacrifice. /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 5.5 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed
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  • From Mert@nospam@nospam.com to alt.global-warming,sci.skeptic,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh on Sun Jan 11 05:40:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.skeptic

    chine.bleu wrote:

    dart200 wrote:
    On 1/9/26 9:43 PM, JTEM wrote:

    https://www.facebook.com/reel/3532194280253352

    Solar sucks.

    You've been lied to.


    i bet horsepower is more expensive


    Solar runs low in winter if you run out of hsy.

    In my world batteries haven't been invented yet.
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  • From AlleyCat@katt@gmail.com to alt.global-warming,sci.skeptic,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh on Sun Jan 11 00:40:02 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.skeptic


    On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 00:43:58 -0500, JTEM says...


    https://www.facebook.com/reel/3532194280253352

    Solar sucks.

    You've been lied to.

    Yup, and that's why all the climate screeching whores and shills, who used to tell those lies, are gone.

    =============================================================================

    "Trump Derangement Syndrome" Is a Real Mental Condition

    All you need to know about "Trump Derangement Syndrome," or TDS.

    "Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) is a mental condition in which a person has been driven effectively insane due to their dislike of Donald Trump, to the point at which they will abandon all logic and reason."

    Justin Raimondo, the editorial director of Antiwar.com, wrote a piece in the Los Angeles Times in 2016 that broke TDS down into three distinct phases or stages:

    "In the first stage of the disease, victims lose all sense of proportion. The president-elect's every tweet provokes a firestorm, as if 140 characters were all it took to change the world."

    "The mid-level stages of TDS have a profound effect on the victim's vocabulary: Sufferers speak a distinctive language consisting solely of hyperbole."

    "As TDS progresses, the afflicted lose the ability to distinguish fantasy from reality."

    The Point here is simple: TDS is, in the eyes of its adherents, the knee-jerk opposition from liberals to anything and everything Trump does. If Trump announced he was donating every dollar he's ever made, TDS sufferers would suggest he was up to something nefarious, according to the logic of TDS. There's nothing - not. one. thing. - that Trump could do or say that would be received positively by TDSers.

    The history of Trump Derangement Syndrome actually goes back to the early 2000s - a time when the idea of Trump as president was a punch line for late- night comics and nothing more.

    Wikipedia traces its roots to "Bush Derangement Syndrome" - a term first coined by the late conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer back in 2003. The condition, as Krauthammer defined it, was "the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal people in reaction to the policies, the presidency - nay - the very existence of George W. Bush."
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  • From chine.bleu@chine.bleu@yahoo.com to alt.global-warming,sci.skeptic,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh on Sat Jan 10 23:25:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.skeptic

    Mert wrote:
    chine.bleu wrote:

    dart200 wrote:
    On 1/9/26 9:43 PM, JTEM wrote:

    https://www.facebook.com/reel/3532194280253352

    Solar sucks.

    You've been lied to.


    i bet horsepower is more expensive


    Solar runs low in winter if you run out of hsy.

    In my world batteries haven't been invented yet.


    A world without artillery? Nice.
    --
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    NO KINGS For I desire mercy not sacrifice. /|\
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    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed
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  • From AlleyCat@katt@gmail.com to alt.global-warming,sci.skeptic,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh on Sun Jan 11 07:31:52 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.skeptic

    On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 00:43:58 -0500, JTEM says...


    https://www.facebook.com/reel/3532194280253352

    Solar sucks.

    You've been lied to.

    Yup, and that's why all the climate screeching whores and shills, who used to tell those lies, are gone.

    =============================================================================

    "Trump Derangement Syndrome" Is a Real Mental Condition

    All you need to know about "Trump Derangement Syndrome," or TDS.

    "Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) is a mental condition in which a person has been driven effectively insane due to their dislike of Donald Trump, to the point at which they will abandon all logic and reason."

    Justin Raimondo, the editorial director of Antiwar.com, wrote a piece in the Los Angeles Times in 2016 that broke TDS down into three distinct phases or stages:

    "In the first stage of the disease, victims lose all sense of proportion. The president-elect's every tweet provokes a firestorm, as if 140 characters were all it took to change the world."

    "The mid-level stages of TDS have a profound effect on the victim's vocabulary: Sufferers speak a distinctive language consisting solely of hyperbole."

    "As TDS progresses, the afflicted lose the ability to distinguish fantasy from reality."

    The Point here is simple: TDS is, in the eyes of its adherents, the knee-jerk opposition from liberals to anything and everything Trump does. If Trump announced he was donating every dollar he's ever made, TDS sufferers would suggest he was up to something nefarious, according to the logic of TDS. There's nothing - not. one. thing. - that Trump could do or say that would be received positively by TDSers.

    The history of Trump Derangement Syndrome actually goes back to the early 2000s - a time when the idea of Trump as president was a punch line for late- night comics and nothing more.

    Wikipedia traces its roots to "Bush Derangement Syndrome" - a term first coined by the late conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer back in 2003. The condition, as Krauthammer defined it, was "the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal people in reaction to the policies, the presidency - nay - the very existence of George W. Bush."
    Message-ID: <MPG.43ccfdcfca2a020a98c95e@news.eternal-september.org>


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  • From pothead@pothead@snakebite.com to alt.global-warming,sci.skeptic,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh on Sun Jan 11 14:27:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.skeptic

    On 2026-01-11, AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 00:43:58 -0500, JTEM says...


    https://www.facebook.com/reel/3532194280253352

    Solar sucks.

    You've been lied to.

    Yup, and that's why all the climate screeching whores and shills, who used to
    tell those lies, are gone.

    Now that the cat is out of the bag regarding the green new scam, the leftist media
    and elite have moved on to a new cause.
    Currently the theme is start George Floyd II, the sequel, in order to take over the house and senate in 2026.

    It worked for them last time so now it has a permanent place in the DNC playbook
    of dirty tricks.
    --
    pothead

    “Liberals seem to assume that, if you don’t believe in their particular political solutions, then you don’t really care about
    the people that they claim to want to help.”

    ― Thomas Sowell
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  • From NoBody@NoBody@nowhere.com to alt.global-warming,sci.skeptic,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh on Mon Jan 12 07:29:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.skeptic

    On Sun, 11 Jan 2026 14:27:43 -0000 (UTC), pothead
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2026-01-11, AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 00:43:58 -0500, JTEM says...


    https://www.facebook.com/reel/3532194280253352

    Solar sucks.

    You've been lied to.

    Yup, and that's why all the climate screeching whores and shills, who used to
    tell those lies, are gone.

    Now that the cat is out of the bag regarding the green new scam, the leftist media
    and elite have moved on to a new cause.
    Currently the theme is start George Floyd II, the sequel, in order to take over
    the house and senate in 2026.

    It worked for them last time so now it has a permanent place in the DNC playbook
    of dirty tricks.


    Problem is she was white. No one really cares ultimately.
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  • From dart200@user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.global-warming,sci.skeptic,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh on Mon Jan 12 17:39:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.skeptic

    On 1/12/26 4:29 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Sun, 11 Jan 2026 14:27:43 -0000 (UTC), pothead
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2026-01-11, AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 00:43:58 -0500, JTEM says...


    https://www.facebook.com/reel/3532194280253352

    Solar sucks.

    You've been lied to.

    Yup, and that's why all the climate screeching whores and shills, who used to
    tell those lies, are gone.

    Now that the cat is out of the bag regarding the green new scam, the leftist media
    and elite have moved on to a new cause.
    Currently the theme is start George Floyd II, the sequel, in order to take over
    the house and senate in 2026.

    It worked for them last time so now it has a permanent place in the DNC playbook
    of dirty tricks.


    Problem is she was white. No one really cares ultimately.

    also she actually hit the agent with her car

    yes it wasn't a bad hit, but it was a hit and cars are 100% lethal
    weapons even at low speeds.

    total nothing burger, doubt the agent even gets charged
    --
    hi, i'm nick! let's end war 🙃

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  • From dart200@user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.global-warming,sci.skeptic,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh on Mon Jan 12 17:42:10 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.skeptic

    On 1/10/26 10:40 PM, AlleyCat wrote:

    On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 00:43:58 -0500, JTEM says...


    https://www.facebook.com/reel/3532194280253352

    Solar sucks.

    You've been lied to.

    Yup, and that's why all the climate screeching whores and shills, who used to tell those lies, are gone.

    there definitely a place for solar, it's not a total scam

    it's just not nuclear fission and never will be


    =============================================================================

    "Trump Derangement Syndrome" Is a Real Mental Condition

    All you need to know about "Trump Derangement Syndrome," or TDS.

    "Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) is a mental condition in which a person has been driven effectively insane due to their dislike of Donald Trump, to the point at which they will abandon all logic and reason."

    Justin Raimondo, the editorial director of Antiwar.com, wrote a piece in the Los Angeles Times in 2016 that broke TDS down into three distinct phases or stages:

    "In the first stage of the disease, victims lose all sense of proportion. The president-elect's every tweet provokes a firestorm, as if 140 characters were all it took to change the world."

    "The mid-level stages of TDS have a profound effect on the victim's vocabulary: Sufferers speak a distinctive language consisting solely of hyperbole."

    "As TDS progresses, the afflicted lose the ability to distinguish fantasy from
    reality."

    The Point here is simple: TDS is, in the eyes of its adherents, the knee-jerk opposition from liberals to anything and everything Trump does. If Trump announced he was donating every dollar he's ever made, TDS sufferers would suggest he was up to something nefarious, according to the logic of TDS. There's nothing - not. one. thing. - that Trump could do or say that would be received positively by TDSers.

    The history of Trump Derangement Syndrome actually goes back to the early 2000s - a time when the idea of Trump as president was a punch line for late- night comics and nothing more.

    Wikipedia traces its roots to "Bush Derangement Syndrome" - a term first coined by the late conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer back in 2003. The condition, as Krauthammer defined it, was "the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal people in reaction to the policies, the presidency - nay - the very existence of George W. Bush."
    --
    hi, i'm nick! let's end war 🙃

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  • From AlleyCat@katt@gmail.com to alt.global-warming,sci.skeptic,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh on Tue Jan 13 09:16:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.skeptic


    On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 17:42:10 -0800, dart200 says...

    Yup, and that's why all the climate screeching whores and shills, who used to
    tell those lies, are gone.

    there definitely a place for solar, it's not a total scam

    Yes... in the PRIVATE sector. WE shouldn't be paying for these companies to go bankrupt and never pay us back, while their executives rob the coffers and sell their stock and go live on a beach while growing old.

    ============================================================================

    1. Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
    2. SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
    3. Solyndra ($535 million)*
    4. Beacon Power ($43 million)*
    5. Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
    6. SunPower ($1.2 billion)
    7. First Solar ($1.46 billion)
    8. Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
    9. EnerDel's subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
    10. Amonix ($5.9 million)
    11. Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
    12. Abound Solar ($400 million)*
    13. A123 Systems ($279 million)*
    14. Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
    15. Johnson Controls ($299 million)
    16. Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
    17. ECOtality ($126.2 million)
    18. Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
    19. Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
    20. Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
    21. Olsen's Crop Service and Mills Acquisition Company ($10m)*
    22. Range Fuels ($80 million)*
    23. Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
    24. Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
    25. Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
    26. GreenVolts ($500,000)
    27. Vestas ($50 million)
    28. LG Chem's subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
    29. Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
    30. Navistar ($39 million)
    31. Satcon ($3 million)*
    32. Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
    33. Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)

    =====

    Major Solar Contractors That Went Out of Business in 2023 & 2024

    Major Solar Bankruptcies as of November 2024 Include:

    34. SunPower - Multiple States*
    35. Pink Energy - Multiple States*
    36. MC Solar - Modern Concepts - Florida*
    37. Harness Power - California*
    38. NM Solar Group - New Mexico*
    39. ASA - American Solar Advantage - California*
    40. Kuubix Energy - California*
    41. Erus Energy - Arizona*
    42. Infinity Energy - California*
    43. Suntuity Renewables - Per Sunova - NJ, CA , TX*
    44. ADT Solar - Multiple States*
    45. Vision Solar - Multiple States*
    46. Solcius - CA, NM, AZ, NV*
    47. Sunworks, Inc. - CA*
    48. Kayo Energy - AZ, CA, TX, FL*
    49. iSun - CT*
    50. Titan Solar Power - Multiple States*
    51. Lumio Solar - Utah*

    =====

    California Company Closures:

    52. ASA - American Solar Advantage - CA*
    53. Bratton Solar- CA*
    54. Canapoy Energy - CA*
    55. Charged Up Energy - CA*
    56. Enver Solar - CA*
    57. Harness Power - CA*
    58. GCI Solar - CA*
    59. Green Nrg - CA*
    60. Kuubix Energy - CA*
    61. Peak Power USA - CA*
    62. Penguin Home- CA*
    63. Polar Solar - CA*
    64. Professional Roofing and Solar - CA*
    65. Sigora Home Solar - CA*
    66. Solsun USA - CA*
    67. Solar Advantage - CA*
    68. Sullivan Solar Power - CA*
    69. Sungrade Solar - CA*
    70. SunPower - CA*
    71. Sunstor Solar - CA*
    72. RGS Energy - CA*
    73. Solar Spectrum - CA*
    74. Sunworks, Inc. - CA**
    75. Swell Energy - CA*
    76. United Solar Inc. - CA*

    =====

    Texas Company Closures:

    77. American Sun*
    78. Daybreak Solar Power*
    79. Cosmo Solaris - DBA WNK Associates , Under Investigation*
    80. Envirosolar*
    81. Hitech Solar*
    82. Integrity Solar*
    83. Next Energy*
    84. Speir Innovations*
    85. TES Home Solar*
    86. Texas Solar Broker LLC*
    87. Texas Solar Integrated LLC*
    88. Verisolar*
    89. Vulcan Solar*

    =====

    Other States:

    90. 3D Solar - Florida*
    91. AAA Certified Solar - Nevada*
    92. Accept Solar - MA*
    93. ACE Solar Systems - AZ*
    94. Arizona Solar Concepts - AZ*
    95. Code Green Solar - NJ*
    96. EcoMark Solar - CO*
    97. Elan Solar - UT*
    98. Electriq Power - FL*
    99. Encor Solar - UT*
    100. Gulf South Solar - LA*
    101. Moxie Solar - IA*
    102. Refresh Energy Group - CO*
    103. Saveco Solar - UT*
    104. Solar Is Freedom - OH*
    105. Solar Titan USA - TN*
    106. SolarDot - FL*
    107. Solarworks - AZ*
    108. Solular, LLC - NJ*
    109. Utah Solar Group - UT*
    110. Voltage Solar Power - FL*
    111. Zenernet - AZ*

    *Denotes companies that have filed for bankruptcy.

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  • From JTEM@jtem01@gmail.com to alt.global-warming,sci.skeptic,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh on Tue Jan 13 14:41:14 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.skeptic


    When federal funds become available -- and I have witnessed
    this first hand -- people form organizations to collect that
    money.

    As an example, and this is what you're seeing with the "Solar"
    industry, a billion years ago federal funds became available to
    combat drugs. So a bunch of people formed a non-profit and
    started cashing those checks for a drug rehabilitation program.
    Well, eventually that drug money dried up but there were funds
    available for education, so that drug program became a high
    school. And I know because I went to that high school. And, yes,
    it was a high school. And, yes, it wasn't originally a school
    it was a drug program.

    Same board. Different federal program sending the checks.

    AND NOBODY in the government will police this. Which is why you
    keep hearing about THIS congressman's family or THAT Senator's
    family running some NGO, cashing big checks. It's because he
    knows about funding sources better than the people who voted for
    that money in the first place? So they know it's there, they
    know how to get it, how to qualify, which forms to fill out...
    which back to scratch... so they start these organizations.

    If elected officials are doing it now, and private individuals
    have been doing it for generations, HOW is anyone capable of
    believing that when the federal government made funds available
    for solar a ton of sly-by-night organizations wouldn't be
    created specifically to get those federal funds?

    It's. How. Things. Work.

    The solution is to have an investigative body look not just at
    the organizations but the people.

    Is anyone involved related to an insider in any way?

    Does anyone involved have a history with such organizations?




    AlleyCat wrote:

    There definitely a place for solar, it's not a total scam

    Yes... in the PRIVATE sector. WE shouldn't be paying for these companies to go
    bankrupt and never pay us back, while their executives rob the coffers and sell their stock and go live on a beach while growing old.

    ============================================================================

    1. Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
    2. SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
    3. Solyndra ($535 million)*
    4. Beacon Power ($43 million)*
    5. Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
    6. SunPower ($1.2 billion)
    7. First Solar ($1.46 billion)
    8. Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
    9. EnerDel's subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
    10. Amonix ($5.9 million)
    11. Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
    12. Abound Solar ($400 million)*
    13. A123 Systems ($279 million)*
    14. Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
    15. Johnson Controls ($299 million)
    16. Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
    17. ECOtality ($126.2 million)
    18. Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
    19. Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
    20. Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
    21. Olsen's Crop Service and Mills Acquisition Company ($10m)*
    22. Range Fuels ($80 million)*
    23. Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
    24. Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
    25. Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
    26. GreenVolts ($500,000)
    27. Vestas ($50 million)
    28. LG Chem's subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
    29. Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
    30. Navistar ($39 million)
    31. Satcon ($3 million)*
    32. Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
    33. Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)

    =====

    Major Solar Contractors That Went Out of Business in 2023 & 2024

    Major Solar Bankruptcies as of November 2024 Include:

    34. SunPower - Multiple States*
    35. Pink Energy - Multiple States*
    36. MC Solar - Modern Concepts - Florida*
    37. Harness Power - California*
    38. NM Solar Group - New Mexico*
    39. ASA - American Solar Advantage - California*
    40. Kuubix Energy - California*
    41. Erus Energy - Arizona*
    42. Infinity Energy - California*
    43. Suntuity Renewables - Per Sunova - NJ, CA , TX*
    44. ADT Solar - Multiple States*
    45. Vision Solar - Multiple States*
    46. Solcius - CA, NM, AZ, NV*
    47. Sunworks, Inc. - CA*
    48. Kayo Energy - AZ, CA, TX, FL*
    49. iSun - CT*
    50. Titan Solar Power - Multiple States*
    51. Lumio Solar - Utah*

    =====

    California Company Closures:

    52. ASA - American Solar Advantage - CA*
    53. Bratton Solar- CA*
    54. Canapoy Energy - CA*
    55. Charged Up Energy - CA*
    56. Enver Solar - CA*
    57. Harness Power - CA*
    58. GCI Solar - CA*
    59. Green Nrg - CA*
    60. Kuubix Energy - CA*
    61. Peak Power USA - CA*
    62. Penguin Home- CA*
    63. Polar Solar - CA*
    64. Professional Roofing and Solar - CA*
    65. Sigora Home Solar - CA*
    66. Solsun USA - CA*
    67. Solar Advantage - CA*
    68. Sullivan Solar Power - CA*
    69. Sungrade Solar - CA*
    70. SunPower - CA*
    71. Sunstor Solar - CA*
    72. RGS Energy - CA*
    73. Solar Spectrum - CA*
    74. Sunworks, Inc. - CA**
    75. Swell Energy - CA*
    76. United Solar Inc. - CA*

    =====

    Texas Company Closures:

    77. American Sun*
    78. Daybreak Solar Power*
    79. Cosmo Solaris - DBA WNK Associates , Under Investigation*
    80. Envirosolar*
    81. Hitech Solar*
    82. Integrity Solar*
    83. Next Energy*
    84. Speir Innovations*
    85. TES Home Solar*
    86. Texas Solar Broker LLC*
    87. Texas Solar Integrated LLC*
    88. Verisolar*
    89. Vulcan Solar*

    =====

    Other States:

    90. 3D Solar - Florida*
    91. AAA Certified Solar - Nevada*
    92. Accept Solar - MA*
    93. ACE Solar Systems - AZ*
    94. Arizona Solar Concepts - AZ*
    95. Code Green Solar - NJ*
    96. EcoMark Solar - CO*
    97. Elan Solar - UT*
    98. Electriq Power - FL*
    99. Encor Solar - UT*
    100. Gulf South Solar - LA*
    101. Moxie Solar - IA*
    102. Refresh Energy Group - CO*
    103. Saveco Solar - UT*
    104. Solar Is Freedom - OH*
    105. Solar Titan USA - TN*
    106. SolarDot - FL*
    107. Solarworks - AZ*
    108. Solular, LLC - NJ*
    109. Utah Solar Group - UT*
    110. Voltage Solar Power - FL*
    111. Zenernet - AZ*

    *Denotes companies that have filed for bankruptcy.

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  • From dart200@user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.global-warming,sci.skeptic,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh on Tue Jan 13 18:30:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.skeptic

    On 1/13/26 7:16 AM, AlleyCat wrote:

    On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 17:42:10 -0800, dart200 says...

    Yup, and that's why all the climate screeching whores and shills, who used to
    tell those lies, are gone.

    there definitely a place for solar, it's not a total scam

    Yes... in the PRIVATE sector. WE shouldn't be paying for these companies to go
    bankrupt and never pay us back, while their executives rob the coffers and sell their stock and go live on a beach while growing old.

    i'm sorry are you blaming the govt for the fact american venture
    capitalists by and large suck at running long term profitable companies???

    i wonder why that is ya dip??? 🤡🌎
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  • From dart200@user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.global-warming,sci.skeptic,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh on Tue Jan 13 18:34:15 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.skeptic

    OR we use some them new fangled 21st century puters to make businesses operated in a transparent fashion so *anyone* and *everyone* can audit
    them in real time ...

    fraud will be *much* easier to spot and u don't need to rely on some
    govt body operating after the fact, which can both be captured by
    industry, and even become a retarded political battleground...

    free speech was really just a baby step towards *free all the information*

    On 1/13/26 11:41 AM, JTEM wrote:

    When federal funds become available -- and I have witnessed
    this first hand -- people form organizations to collect that
    money.

    As an example, and this is what you're seeing with the "Solar"
    industry, a billion years ago federal funds became available to
    combat drugs. So a bunch of people formed a non-profit and
    started cashing those checks for a drug rehabilitation program.
    Well, eventually that drug money dried up but there were funds
    available for education, so that drug program became a high
    school. And I know because I went to that high school. And, yes,
    it was a high school. And, yes, it wasn't originally a school
    it was a drug program.

    Same board. Different federal program sending the checks.

    AND NOBODY in the government will police this. Which is why you
    keep hearing about THIS congressman's family or THAT Senator's
    family running some NGO, cashing big checks. It's because he
    knows about funding sources better than the people who voted for
    that money in the first place?  So they know it's there, they
    know how to get it, how to qualify, which forms to fill out...
    which back to scratch... so they start these organizations.

    If elected officials are doing it now, and private individuals
    have been doing it for generations, HOW is anyone capable of
    believing that when the federal government made funds available
    for solar a ton of sly-by-night organizations wouldn't be
    created specifically to get those federal funds?

    It's. How. Things. Work.

    The solution is to have an investigative body look not just at
    the organizations but the people.

    Is anyone involved related to an insider in any way?

    Does anyone involved have a history with such organizations?



     AlleyCat wrote:

    There definitely a place for solar, it's not a total scam

    Yes... in the PRIVATE sector. WE shouldn't be paying for these
    companies to go
    bankrupt and never pay us back, while their executives rob the coffers
    and
    sell their stock and go live on a beach while growing old.

    ============================================================================ >>
    1. Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
    2. SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
    3. Solyndra ($535 million)*
    4. Beacon Power ($43 million)*
    5. Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
    6. SunPower ($1.2 billion)
    7. First Solar ($1.46 billion)
    8. Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
    9. EnerDel's subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
    10. Amonix ($5.9 million)
    11. Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
    12. Abound Solar ($400 million)*
    13. A123 Systems ($279 million)*
    14. Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
    15. Johnson Controls ($299 million)
    16. Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
    17. ECOtality ($126.2 million)
    18. Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
    19. Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
    20. Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
    21. Olsen's Crop Service and Mills Acquisition Company ($10m)*
    22. Range Fuels ($80 million)*
    23. Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
    24. Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
    25. Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
    26. GreenVolts ($500,000)
    27. Vestas ($50 million)
    28. LG Chem's subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
    29. Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
    30. Navistar ($39 million)
    31. Satcon ($3 million)*
    32. Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
    33. Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)

    =====

    Major Solar Contractors That Went Out of Business in 2023 & 2024

    Major Solar Bankruptcies as of November 2024 Include:

    34. SunPower - Multiple States*
    35. Pink Energy - Multiple States*
    36. MC Solar - Modern Concepts - Florida*
    37. Harness Power - California*
    38. NM Solar Group - New Mexico*
    39. ASA - American Solar Advantage - California*
    40. Kuubix Energy - California*
    41. Erus Energy - Arizona*
    42. Infinity Energy - California*
    43. Suntuity Renewables - Per Sunova - NJ, CA , TX*
    44. ADT Solar - Multiple States*
    45. Vision Solar - Multiple States*
    46. Solcius - CA, NM, AZ, NV*
    47. Sunworks, Inc. - CA*
    48. Kayo Energy - AZ, CA, TX, FL*
    49. iSun - CT*
    50. Titan Solar Power - Multiple States*
    51. Lumio Solar - Utah*

    =====

    California Company Closures:

    52. ASA - American Solar Advantage - CA*
    53. Bratton Solar- CA*
    54. Canapoy Energy - CA*
    55. Charged Up Energy - CA*
    56. Enver Solar - CA*
    57. Harness Power - CA*
    58. GCI Solar - CA*
    59. Green Nrg - CA*
    60. Kuubix Energy - CA*
    61. Peak Power USA - CA*
    62. Penguin Home- CA*
    63. Polar Solar - CA*
    64. Professional Roofing and Solar - CA*
    65. Sigora Home Solar - CA*
    66. Solsun USA - CA*
    67. Solar Advantage - CA*
    68. Sullivan Solar Power - CA*
    69. Sungrade Solar - CA*
    70. SunPower - CA*
    71. Sunstor Solar - CA*
    72. RGS Energy - CA*
    73. Solar Spectrum - CA*
    74. Sunworks, Inc. - CA**
    75. Swell Energy - CA*
    76. United Solar Inc. - CA*

    =====

    Texas Company Closures:

    77. American Sun*
    78. Daybreak Solar Power*
    79. Cosmo Solaris - DBA WNK Associates , Under Investigation*
    80. Envirosolar*
    81. Hitech Solar*
    82. Integrity Solar*
    83. Next Energy*
    84. Speir Innovations*
    85. TES Home Solar*
    86. Texas Solar Broker LLC*
    87. Texas Solar Integrated LLC*
    88. Verisolar*
    89. Vulcan Solar*

    =====

    Other States:

    90. 3D Solar - Florida*
    91. AAA Certified Solar - Nevada*
    92. Accept Solar - MA*
    93. ACE Solar Systems - AZ*
    94. Arizona Solar Concepts - AZ*
    95. Code Green Solar - NJ*
    96. EcoMark Solar - CO*
    97. Elan Solar - UT*
    98. Electriq Power - FL*
    99. Encor Solar - UT*
    100. Gulf South Solar - LA*
    101. Moxie Solar - IA*
    102. Refresh Energy Group - CO*
    103. Saveco Solar - UT*
    104. Solar Is Freedom - OH*
    105. Solar Titan USA - TN*
    106. SolarDot - FL*
    107. Solarworks - AZ*
    108. Solular, LLC - NJ*
    109. Utah Solar Group - UT*
    110. Voltage Solar Power - FL*
    111. Zenernet - AZ*

    *Denotes companies that have filed for bankruptcy.



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  • From Mitchell Holman@noemail@aol.com to alt.global-warming,sci.skeptic,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh on Wed Jan 14 02:55:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.skeptic

    JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:10k674r$3cc6e$1@dont-email.me:


    When federal funds become available -- and I have witnessed
    this first hand -- people form organizations to collect that
    money.


    Case in point: When Trump created Covid
    related PPP "loans" his rightwing friends
    rushed to collect the free money.

    And Trump gave it to them. In secret, no
    questions asked.

    And you dare to complain about "federal
    giveaways"?




    Keeping $500 Billion in Bailout Funds Secret
    June 11 2020

    The Trump administration intends to keep
    secret the names of the businesses that
    have received more than $500 billion in
    COVID-19 bailout funds through the
    Paycheck Protection Program (PPP),
    claiming the information is "confidential" https://www.citizen.org/news/keeping-500-billion-in-bailout-funds-secret/



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  • From JTEM@jtem01@gmail.com to alt.global-warming,sci.skeptic,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh on Tue Jan 13 23:19:01 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.skeptic

    On 1/13/26 9:55 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:10k674r$3cc6e$1@dont-email.me:


    When federal funds become available -- and I have witnessed
    this first hand -- people form organizations to collect that
    money.


    Case in point: When Trump created Covid
    related PPP "loans" his rightwing friends
    rushed to collect the free money.

    And Trump gave it to them. In secret, no
    questions asked.ou

    And yet they told you? In secret?

    If you look real hard I bet even the likes of you can
    find a contradiction in your idiocy.
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  • From Mitchell Holman@noemail@aol.com to alt.global-warming,sci.skeptic,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh on Wed Jan 14 14:05:07 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.skeptic

    JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:10k75fn$3lp9o$2@dont-email.me:

    On 1/13/26 9:55 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:10k674r$3cc6e$1@dont-email.me:


    When federal funds become available -- and I have witnessed
    this first hand -- people form organizations to collect that
    money.


    Case in point: When Trump created Covid
    related PPP "loans" his rightwing friends
    rushed to collect the free money.

    And Trump gave it to them. In secret, no
    questions asked.ou

    And yet they told you? In secret?

    If you look real hard I bet even the likes of you can
    find a contradiction in your idiocy.




    Just tell where our money went.



    Keeping $500 Billion in Bailout Funds Secret
    June 11 2020

    The Trump administration intends to keep
    secret the names of the businesses that
    have received more than $500 billion in
    COVID-19 bailout funds through the
    Paycheck Protection Program (PPP),
    claiming the information is "confidential" https://www.citizen.org/news/keeping-500-billion-in-bailout-funds-secret/

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  • From AlleyCat@katt@gmail.com to alt.global-warming,sci.skeptic,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh on Wed Jan 14 11:52:22 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.skeptic


    On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 18:30:03 -0800, dart200 says...

    Yes... in the PRIVATE sector. WE shouldn't be paying for these companies to go
    bankrupt and never pay us back, while their executives rob the coffers and sell their stock and go live on a beach while growing old.

    i'm sorry are you blaming the govt for the fact american venture
    capitalists by and large suck at running long term profitable companies???

    Typical pansy-ass pussy liberal reply. Always injecting bullshit that no one said, so you can argue THAT point, instead of the real topic.

    Are you a liberal, because your other posts didn't seem to reflect that?

    No one "blamed" the government for companies not being able to "by and large, run long term profitable companies."

    I said the government shouldn't be in the business of giving money to companies who "by and large, suck at running long term profitable enterprises."

    That belongs in the private sector. There's a reason the private sector begs the government for money, ESPECIALLY when it comes to starting a business in the alternate energy field.

    If it fails, they lose money.

    If the government gives them the money and the business fails, they just rob the coffers, sell their soon-to-be worthless stocks and declare bankruptcy, never having to give the government ANY of the money back, meanwhile, retiring to a place with no extradition.

    The "Green Energy" business is a scam.

    ===========================================================================

    THIS Is Why Chicken Shit Chicken Littles Screech About Climate And Weather And Global Warbling:

    The UN Makes it Official: Global Warming Hysteria Is All About Redistributing Wealth

    UN IPCC Official Admits 'We Redistribute World's Wealth By Climate Policy'

    Global Study Reveals Wealth Redistribution From Blue-Carbon Ecosystems

    Failed Climate Policies Are About Wealth Redistribution

    "We Redistribute De Facto The World's Wealth By Climate Policy."

    How Global Warming Has Made The Rich Richer https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20190502-how-global-warming-has-made-the- rich-richer

    The U.N.'s Global Warming War On Capitalism: An Important History Lesson https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/01/22/the-u-n-s-global-warming- war-on-capitalism-an-important-history-lesson-2/?sh=4f89a2d429be

    The Doha Wealth Redistribution Process Moves On https://townhall.com/columnists/davidrothbard/2012/12/14/the-doha-wealth- redistribution-process-moves-on-n1465410

    =====

    "There is no doubt, that we need to have a complete transformation... the transformation of the economy, and that includes, of course, the private sector."

    A carbon tax will change NOTHING, other than the wealth of politicians and countries who beg us for money. THAT was the purpose of the Paris Accord... the ONLY purpose.

    Funny... when the government no longer pays for bogus money-grabbing data, the truth comes out.

    "It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running." https://youtu.be/J9Oi7x2OBdI?t=74

    "And we're like... the world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change..."

    AOC's Top Aide Admits Green New Deal About The Economy, Not Climate https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aocs-top-aide-admits-green-new-deal- about-the-economy-not-the-climate

    Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff recently admitted that the Green New Deal was not conceived as an effort to deal with climate change, but instead a "how-do-you-change-the-entire economy thing" -- a remark likely to fuel Republican claims that the deal is nothing more than a thinly veiled socialist takeover of the U.S. economy. "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Saikat Chakrabarti said in May, according to The Washington Post.

    *****

    UN Official Admits That Climate Change Used As A Ruse To Control The World's Economy http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/diabolical-lie-called-climate-change-used- un-promote-economic-agenda/

    *****

    "Unequal Distribution of Wealth and Power" Causes Climate Change http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/un-climate-summit-causes-of- climate-change-unequal-distribution-of-wealth-and-power/

    *****

    U.N. Official Reveals Real Reason Behind Warming Scare http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/climate-change-scare-tool-to- destroy-capitalism/

    *****

    Another Climate Alarmist Admits Real Motive Behind Warming Scare http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/another-climate-alarmist- admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/

    *****

    United Nations Official Admits the Purpose of the Global Warming Hoax is to Destroy Capitalism http://lubbockonline.com/interact/blog-post/donald-r-may/2015-02- 27/united-nations-official-admits-purpose-global-warming#.V-nGUOM1HmE



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  • From AlleyCat@katt@gmail.com to alt.global-warming,sci.skeptic,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh on Wed Jan 14 11:52:31 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.skeptic


    On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 14:05:07 +0000, Mitchell Holman says...

    If you look real hard I bet even the likes of you can
    find a contradiction in your idiocy.




    Just tell where our money went.

    Where is OUR money?

    Here is the breakdown of the money involved in the Employee Retention Credit (ERC) scandal through 2024:

    The Money That Went Out

    Total Payouts: As of 2024, the IRS has paid out approximately $230 billion in ERC claims since the program's inception.

    The "Fraud" Estimate: The IRS and government watchdogs estimate that a significant portion of the claims filed between 2021 and 2023 were ineligible or fraudulent, with some estimates suggesting $25 billion to $40 billion (or more) was paid out incorrectly to "ERC Mills" and scammers.

    =====

    The Money They Got Back (and "Saved") 2025 to 2026

    Recovered through Audits/Criminal Cases: The IRS has recovered roughly $2 billion to $5 billion through direct seizures, criminal restitution (like the cases we discussed), and audits.

    Voluntary Disclosure Program: In 2024 and 2025, the IRS offered a
    "settlement" for businesses that realized they were scammed into filing. This program brought back over $1.2 billion.

    Clawbacks and Denials: By freezing the program in late 2023/2024, the IRS "saved" the government an estimated $5 billion to $10 billion in fraudulent claims that were filed but never paid out.

    Again: WHERE IS OUR MONEY?

    =====

    January:

    Historic Snowstorms Sweep Russia
    North India's Sharpest Cold In Years
    Israel Shivers As Snow Hits Hermon
    Turkey Buried
    U.S. Arctic Cold Reloads
    + Britain Locks In Higher Power Prices

    California Drought-Free
    'Polar Vortex' To Wallop US
    100% Of Russia Under Snow
    Moscow's Heaviest In 56 Years
    Blizzards Intensify Along Japan Coast
    Denmark Shivers
    + Greenland Warming Follows Wind Patterns, Not Co2

    Europe In The Freezer
    Juneau's Cold
    Northern Asia's Snow And Ice
    Saigon Shivers As Rare Cold Grips Southern Vietnam
    + Hockey Sticks Are Statistical Tricks

    Scandinavia Breaches -40C
    Rare Snow Hits Eastern Morocco
    Guatemala Drops Below Freezing
    Rare 5C Rains In Delhi As Northern India Shivers
    + Antarctica Shows No Meaningful Warming Since 1979

    Cold Pushes Deep Into India
    Heavy Snow Inundates Europe
    Alaska Locked In Deep Winter
    Early Burial For The Rockies
    Japan Faces Another Heavy Snow Hit
    + U.S. Cuts Ties With UN Climate Regime

    Europe Is Frozen
    Juneau Snow Emergency
    Greenland Melt 7,000 Years Ago
    Anthropogenic CO2 Is A Bit Player
    + Renewables Aren't Cheap

    Global Temperatures Down In December
    Ice And Snow Disruptions Across Europe
    Sierra Turnaround
    Arctic Ice Rebounds
    Another Average Hurricane Year

    Arctic Air Reclaims Northwest
    Snowy Europe
    Cold Outbreaks Not Caused by Global Warming

    Cold And Snow Intensify In Turkey And Syria
    Europe Chills
    Alaska Ends 2025 Under Historic Snow
    Satellites Show Clouds, Not CO2, Driving Earth's Energy Imbalance

    Record Snow Buries Lake Louise
    Great Lakes Under Record Snow
    Miami Shivers
    Cold Wave Shuts Tehran
    Winter In Europe Tightens Its Grip

    Kurdistan Paralyzed By Cold And Snow
    Cold Sweeps India
    Greenland Gains
    Juneau Breaks December Snow Record As Alaska Freezes
    South Pole To Set Cold December

    Europe To Freeze This Weekend
    Sierra Snowpack Recovery
    The AMOC Collapse Claim
    The Volcanic Trigger Behind The 2023 Tropical Temperature Spike

    Australia Shivers
    Snow Builds Across Canada
    Russia Freezes
    Extreme Cold Grips NE China

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  • From AlleyCat@katt@gmail.com to alt.global-warming,sci.skeptic,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh on Wed Jan 14 11:52:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.skeptic


    On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 14:05:07 +0000, Mitchell Holman says...

    If you look real hard I bet even the likes of you can
    find a contradiction in your idiocy.




    Just tell where our money went.

    Why don't YOU tell US, where OUR money went during the "walking corpse's" administration?

    Were there any PPP "scandals" from 2021 to 2025 like that from 2020?

    Why yes... yes, there was.

    (read it all... especially the money paid out and what we got back.)

    WHERE IS OUR MONEY!!

    The PPP Extension (2021) The Paycheck Protection Program DIDN'T STOP in 2020; it was reopened in early 2021 for "Second Draw" loans. This allowed the hardest-hit small businesses to get a second round of funding before the program officially closed applications in May 2021.

    The years 2021 through 2025 saw MASSIVE INVESTIGATIONS that uncovered what some officials call the "biggest fraud in U.S. history."

    The Shift from PPP to ERC (The "New" PPP Scandal) While the PPP ended in 2021, the Employee Retention Credit (ERC) became the new center of scandal. It was a tax credit meant to help businesses keep staff, but it turned into A MULTI- BILLION DOLLAR MESS.

    "ERC Mills"-predatory consulting firms-popped up to help businesses (and scammers) file fake claims. By 2024 and 2025, the IRS had to halt processing because the fraud was so rampant, estimated at over $100 billion in questionable claims.

    Would you like me to tell you about the "Feeding Our Future" scandal, which was the largest pandemic-related fraud case involving child meal programs?

    OK... I will.

    =====

    The "scandal" phase of the 2021-2025 period shifted from the PPP to the Employee Retention Credit (ERC) and the Feeding Our Future case.

    The "Feeding Our Future" Scandal (Child Nutrition Fraud) This is widely considered ONE OF THE LARGEST PANDEMIC-ERA FRAUD CASES. Federal prosecutors charged over 70 individuals in a scheme to steal $250 million meant to feed hungry children.

    Aimee Bock was the founder and executive director of the Minnesota non-profit Feeding Our Future, and she was the alleged mastermind behind the $250 million FRAUD SCHEME.

    What She Actually Did

    The Shell Scheme: She and her associates allegedly exploited the relaxed rules of federal child nutrition programs during the pandemic. They set up "sites" across Minnesota that claimed to be feeding thousands of children per day but were actually just names on a spreadsheet.

    The Kickbacks: Prosecutors allege that Bock oversaw a system where she would submit fraudulent reimbursement claims to the government. In exchange, the contractors running the fake food sites would pay "kickbacks" to Bock and her non-profit.

    The Laundering: Instead of buying food, the money was used to purchase luxury cars, residential real estate in the U.S. and abroad (specifically Turkey and Kenya), and luxury travel.

    =====

    The Charges

    In 2022, she was indicted on federal charges of conspiracy to commit wire fraud and money laundering. She has maintained her innocence, claiming that the government's investigation was a 'misunderstanding" or even racially motivated against the community she served, though the FBI provided evidence of massive, non-existent meal counts.

    Abdi Nur (D): One of the defendants in the scheme was a donor to various local and state-level Democratic candidates in Minnesota.

    Sharmarke Issa (D): The former board chair of the Minneapolis Public Housing Authority (a political appointee under a Democratic administration) was charged in connection with the scheme.

    Name, Role
    Aimee Bock,"Founder, Feeding Our Future"
    Sharmarke Issa,Former Mpls. Housing Board Chair(D)
    Abdi Nur,Business Owner/Defendant(D)
    Abdiaziz Shafii Farah, "Owner,Empire Cuisine"
    Mohamed Jama Ismail, "Co-owner,Empire Cuisine"
    Mahad Ibrahim, "President,ThinkTech"
    Liban Alishire, "Owner,Community Enhancement"
    Ahmed Ghedi,Business Owner/Defendant
    Said Elobeid,Business Owner/Defendant
    Mukhtar Shariff,Business Owner/Defendant

    =============================================================================

    The Employee Retention Credit (ERC) scandal is a massive tax-fraud situation that took off between 2021 and 2025. While the PPP was about getting upfront loans, the ERC was about getting massive "refunds" from the IRS for keeping employees.

    The "ERC Mills" and Political Lobbying The scandal isn't just about one person, but about companies called "ERC Mills" that charged huge fees to file fake or inflated claims.

    Alliantgroup : One of the largest tax consulting firms. They heavily lobbied for the ERC. While the company itself is, its leadership includes high-profile figures from both sides, such as former Democratic Senator Heidi Heitkamp and former Republican Congressman Rick Lazio.

    Innovation TaxX: A major ERC promoter that faced lawsuits for aggressive and potentially fraudulent marketing. No specific party affiliation is on record for the leadership.

    Synergi Partners: Another major player in the ERC space; they have spent hundreds of thousands on lobbying, but do not have a clear single-party alignment.

    =============================================================================

    The ERC (Employee Retention Credit) scandal is unique because it involves a mix of specialized tax promoters and individuals filing fake claims. Because many of these cases are currently moving through the court system (2024-2025), public records for party affiliation are limited primarily to the high-profile figures.

    The Promoters and Fraudsters

    Leon Haynes (U): A New Jersey tax preparer charged with defrauding the government of $124 million by filing over 1,000 fraudulent forms. He is an individual business owner with no public political record.

    Quinton Wash (U): Charged in a multi-million dollar scheme to file false ERC claims. No public party affiliation is on record.

    The "Alliantgroup" Connection (Mixed): While the firm itself hasn't been charged with fraud, it was raided by the IRS in a high-profile investigation. As mentioned, its leadership includes:

    Heidi Heitkamp (D): Former Democratic Senator.

    Rick Lazio (R): Former Republican Congressman.

    Larry J. Broussard (U): A tax preparer charged with seeking over $10 million in fraudulent credits. He is a private individual without a public political footprint.

    ============================================================================

    Here are the largest individual ERC-related fraud sentences and cases reported through late 2024 and into 2025. As with many private tax preparers, most do not have public political donor records, so they are marked (U).

    Leon Haynes (U): Sentenced in late 2024. He was the New Jersey tax preparer who orchestrated a $124 million fraud scheme. He was sentenced to 24 years in federal prison.

    Douglas Edelman (U): While primarily a defense contracting case, he was charged in 2024 with a massive tax scheme involving over $350 million, which included fraudulent pandemic-related tax credits. No public party affiliation is listed.

    Quinton Wash (U): Sentenced to over 4 years (51 months) in 2024 for his role in a scheme that sought $14 million in fraudulent ERC and sick-leave credits.

    Larry J. Broussard (U): Received a sentence of 3 years in 2024 for a scheme involving over $10 million in fraudulent tax credit filings.

    "The Promoter" (Generic Category): In 2025, the DOJ began sentencing a wave of "ERC Mill" operators. Most of these individuals are listed as (U), as they were independent tax consultants rather than political figures.

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    January:

    Historic Snowstorms Sweep Russia
    North India's Sharpest Cold In Years
    Israel Shivers As Snow Hits Hermon
    Turkey Buried
    U.S. Arctic Cold Reloads
    + Britain Locks In Higher Power Prices

    California Drought-Free
    'Polar Vortex' To Wallop US
    100% Of Russia Under Snow
    Moscow's Heaviest In 56 Years
    Blizzards Intensify Along Japan Coast
    Denmark Shivers
    + Greenland Warming Follows Wind Patterns, Not Co2

    Europe In The Freezer
    Juneau's Cold
    Northern Asia's Snow And Ice
    Saigon Shivers As Rare Cold Grips Southern Vietnam
    + Hockey Sticks Are Statistical Tricks

    Scandinavia Breaches -40C
    Rare Snow Hits Eastern Morocco
    Guatemala Drops Below Freezing
    Rare 5C Rains In Delhi As Northern India Shivers
    + Antarctica Shows No Meaningful Warming Since 1979

    Cold Pushes Deep Into India
    Heavy Snow Inundates Europe
    Alaska Locked In Deep Winter
    Early Burial For The Rockies
    Japan Faces Another Heavy Snow Hit
    + U.S. Cuts Ties With UN Climate Regime

    Europe Is Frozen
    Juneau Snow Emergency
    Greenland Melt 7,000 Years Ago
    Anthropogenic CO2 Is A Bit Player
    + Renewables Aren't Cheap

    Global Temperatures Down In December
    Ice And Snow Disruptions Across Europe
    Sierra Turnaround
    Arctic Ice Rebounds
    Another Average Hurricane Year

    Arctic Air Reclaims Northwest
    Snowy Europe
    Cold Outbreaks Not Caused by Global Warming

    Cold And Snow Intensify In Turkey And Syria
    Europe Chills
    Alaska Ends 2025 Under Historic Snow
    Satellites Show Clouds, Not CO2, Driving Earth's Energy Imbalance

    Record Snow Buries Lake Louise
    Great Lakes Under Record Snow
    Miami Shivers
    Cold Wave Shuts Tehran
    Winter In Europe Tightens Its Grip

    Kurdistan Paralyzed By Cold And Snow
    Cold Sweeps India
    Greenland Gains
    Juneau Breaks December Snow Record As Alaska Freezes
    South Pole To Set Cold December

    Europe To Freeze This Weekend
    Sierra Snowpack Recovery
    The AMOC Collapse Claim
    The Volcanic Trigger Behind The 2023 Tropical Temperature Spike

    Australia Shivers
    Snow Builds Across Canada
    Russia Freezes
    Extreme Cold Grips NE China

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  • From JTEM@jtem01@gmail.com to alt.global-warming,sci.skeptic,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh on Wed Jan 14 22:22:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.skeptic

    On 1/14/26 9:05 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:

    Keeping $500 Billion in Bailout Funds Secret
    June 11 2020

    You get the memos, huh?

    You do. They tell you all these secrets. That's how you
    know these secrets, cus they tell you.

    You're so special!
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  • From dart200@user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.global-warming,sci.skeptic,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh on Fri Jan 16 16:51:34 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.skeptic

    On 1/14/26 9:52 AM, AlleyCat wrote:

    On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 18:30:03 -0800, dart200 says...

    Yes... in the PRIVATE sector. WE shouldn't be paying for these companies to go
    bankrupt and never pay us back, while their executives rob the coffers and >>> sell their stock and go live on a beach while growing old.

    i'm sorry are you blaming the govt for the fact american venture
    capitalists by and large suck at running long term profitable companies???

    Typical pansy-ass pussy liberal reply. Always injecting bullshit that no one said, so you can argue THAT point, instead of the real topic.

    Are you a liberal, because your other posts didn't seem to reflect that?

    i don't ascribe to ur binary politics


    No one "blamed" the government for companies not being able to "by and large, run long term profitable companies."

    I said the government shouldn't be in the business of giving money to companies who "by and large, suck at running long term profitable enterprises."

    it can be hard to tell that until you see what they do with the money.
    the govt acts as a venture capitalist except it doesn't expect a direct
    return on investment, which allows it to take on way more risk than a
    normal investor would.


    That belongs in the private sector. There's a reason the private sector begs the government for money, ESPECIALLY when it comes to starting a business in the alternate energy field.

    the govt is always involved in large infrastructure projects, they just wouldn't get done without the govt being willing to fund them.


    If it fails, they lose money.

    If the government gives them the money and the business fails, they just rob the coffers, sell their soon-to-be worthless stocks and declare bankruptcy, never having to give the government ANY of the money back, meanwhile, retiring
    to a place with no extradition.

    The "Green Energy" business is a scam.

    the underlying ideas aren't scams.

    the only suggesting i really have is that we can require govt funds to
    come along with a transparency requirement on how the business is being run.

    and with modern 21st century info tech this really should be real time transparency done with the same kinda of observability portals/reports
    that the execs have access to.


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    THIS Is Why Chicken Shit Chicken Littles Screech About Climate And Weather And
    Global Warbling:

    The UN Makes it Official: Global Warming Hysteria Is All About Redistributing Wealth

    UN IPCC Official Admits 'We Redistribute World's Wealth By Climate Policy'

    Global Study Reveals Wealth Redistribution From Blue-Carbon Ecosystems

    Failed Climate Policies Are About Wealth Redistribution

    "We Redistribute De Facto The World's Wealth By Climate Policy."

    How Global Warming Has Made The Rich Richer https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20190502-how-global-warming-has-made-the-
    rich-richer

    The U.N.'s Global Warming War On Capitalism: An Important History Lesson https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/01/22/the-u-n-s-global-warming- war-on-capitalism-an-important-history-lesson-2/?sh=4f89a2d429be

    The Doha Wealth Redistribution Process Moves On https://townhall.com/columnists/davidrothbard/2012/12/14/the-doha-wealth- redistribution-process-moves-on-n1465410

    =====

    "There is no doubt, that we need to have a complete transformation... the transformation of the economy, and that includes, of course, the private sector."

    A carbon tax will change NOTHING, other than the wealth of politicians and countries who beg us for money. THAT was the purpose of the Paris Accord... the ONLY purpose.

    Funny... when the government no longer pays for bogus money-grabbing data, the
    truth comes out.

    "It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running." https://youtu.be/J9Oi7x2OBdI?t=74

    "And we're like... the world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change..."

    AOC's Top Aide Admits Green New Deal About The Economy, Not Climate https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aocs-top-aide-admits-green-new-deal- about-the-economy-not-the-climate

    Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff recently admitted that the Green New Deal was not conceived as an effort to deal with climate change, but
    instead a "how-do-you-change-the-entire economy thing" -- a remark likely to fuel Republican claims that the deal is nothing more than a thinly veiled socialist takeover of the U.S. economy. "The interesting thing about the Green
    New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Saikat Chakrabarti said in May, according to The Washington Post.

    *****

    UN Official Admits That Climate Change Used As A Ruse To Control The World's Economy http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/diabolical-lie-called-climate-change-used- un-promote-economic-agenda/

    *****

    "Unequal Distribution of Wealth and Power" Causes Climate Change http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/un-climate-summit-causes-of- climate-change-unequal-distribution-of-wealth-and-power/

    *****

    U.N. Official Reveals Real Reason Behind Warming Scare http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/climate-change-scare-tool-to- destroy-capitalism/

    *****

    Another Climate Alarmist Admits Real Motive Behind Warming Scare http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/another-climate-alarmist- admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/

    *****

    United Nations Official Admits the Purpose of the Global Warming Hoax is to Destroy Capitalism http://lubbockonline.com/interact/blog-post/donald-r-may/2015-02- 27/united-nations-official-admits-purpose-global-warming#.V-nGUOM1HmE



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